W was a bad President. Obama has been the same in many ways but even worse. I do agree that Hillary is more Presidential than both but we will continue to see the working poor get ass raped by policy under her Presidency. Trump not the answer, but at least the GOP is now in disarray. Who will the DEMs blame after 4 years of Hillary and 12 years controlling the White House?

Obama approval ratings only show the ignorance and stupidity of voting Americans.

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You serious? C'mon, man. Obama admitted he's killed between 64 and 116 civilians already! And let's also acknowledge that that estimate clearly demonstrates his administration has no fucking clue what the actual specific number is.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/oba ... e-attacks/

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What Hillary may be really doesn't change what Obama has been.

MANY call Bush and Cheney evil but has Obama's actions really been better? I guess rhetoric is more important than actions.

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Paul Ryan.

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I don't think anyone knows what the number is. But 64 to 116 doesn't really sound like a lot, unless of course you're one of them. War is hell.

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What war?

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We've always been at war.

You tried to compare the two with an unfavorable light on Obama. I'd take a third term of Obama over Clinton or Trump and I'm guessing most other Americans would too.

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I was told that the wars were over.

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The worst part about Trump being the nominee(besides all the racism and mysogony and dumb things he says) is that it gives Hillary an excuse for everything.

I don't see her supporters being able to say "Yeah, but Kasich is worse because he is against abortion!".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Obama has clearly done far worse things. It's a fact that can't be disputed. Your hate for Hillary blinds you.

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It's funny to me that you blindly accept that the US government is telling the truth about how many innocent civilians they killed and accusing international human rights groups of cooking the numbers because of an agenda. Plus, one glance at that estimate makes me laugh. "We either killed 64 people...or possibly maybe almost twice that number. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "

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Deep down in my soul even I got to admit this is true.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I don't blindly accept the U.S. numbers or the numbers put forth by "human rights" organizations that are bastions of Jew-hatred either.

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Alright, dude.

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I am interested in war without civilian casualties. Particularly when the opponents are pretty much armed civilians.

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How about no war at all? I don't think it's okay for FavreFan to die just because he's wearing olive drab. But now we're getting into "Imagine" territory.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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Not wanting war means you're a pro-Putin stooge, can't have that.

Amazing how the media narrative has the public wanting war and escalation.

Amazing how quickly the anti-war left in this country vanished in January of 2009.

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I'm not sure what your GIF means, but I'm sure you don't disagree that a soldier's life has just as much value as a civilian's? It's not like most people fighting wars, who are generally poor, are there because they have a lot of other choices. On the other hand, I've never felt bad because a Blackwater contractor making hundreds of thousands as a war profiteer got killed.

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We are not at war last time I checked. These aren't civilian deaths on a battlefield. It's some guy with a joystick blowing up places because someone said a "bad guy" may be there.

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Sure. I can get behind a no war policy.

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First time I have seen that one.

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True.

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Time to get the Pershing's out of storage and hit those Ruskie's Reagan style. Gotta be tough, make that Reset Button the big red nuclear button.

Yeah, I think Trump at one point said "wouldn't it be nice if we could have good relations with Russia?" and that was ripped as being an anti-American stance.

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Many people have said that if they use the video game strategy here and there we won't need a big war anymore.

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I believe there are American soldiers who wold disagree with you.

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I think pittmike might be the only one that gets that meme.

I do think a civilian's life is worth more than a soldier's life when we are talking about an all volunteer Army. Being a soldier and being around soldiers who actually were in combat zones convinced me of that, actually. The vast majority seemed to agree that we all signed up for possible injury or death, losing friends, getting fucked in the head, etc. Civilians didn't sign up for any of that shit, didn't ask for any of it. I realize the lines between civilian and soldier are more blurred in the Middle East, but you simply cannot tell me we do our best at avoiding civilian deaths. If some dickwad throws a grenade in a civilian house in Afghanistan, then sure, it could be the rogue soldier or mercenary you referenced earlier. When it's a drone strike that does it, you have to acknowledge it's coming from the top of our chain of command.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul