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He isn't the only one saying it. His surrogates and supporters are also beating the drums. He has the power and obligation to stop it.
Similar to his role in the "birther" movement, he is fueling the flames without proof.
So you are saying that a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop a stupid conspiracy?

Whose supporters were the first to mention the birther movement?

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He isn't the only one saying it. His surrogates and supporters are also beating the drums. He has the power and obligation to stop it.
Similar to his role in the "birther" movement, he is fueling the flames without proof.



Who are his surrogates? Sean Fucking Hannity? His kids? That Conway broad? The Republican Party, including his own vice presidential candidate, has pretty much disowned him. For the most part even Fox News isn't supporting him! The guy is on an island and just saying goofier and goofier shit each day.



There are a lot of people that believe his goofy shit. He has said goofy shit every day since he began running yet it didn't prevent 14 million from voting for him. We can't look at his antics as necessarily an outlier.

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He isn't the only one saying it. His surrogates and supporters are also beating the drums. He has the power and obligation to stop it.
Similar to his role in the "birther" movement, he is fueling the flames without proof.
So you are saying that a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop a stupid conspiracy?

Whose supporters were the first to mention the birther movement?



You are lying yet again about that.

Also in this instance you sound rather foolish since Trump is the person that fostered the belief that the election is rigged. He started it as soon as the polls went against him. This is the same idiot that repeatedly touted his poll numbers every chance that he got. He used it as validation that he was running one helluva campaign. The second he couldn't tout his gaudy poll numbers he began complaining about a rigged system.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He isn't the only one saying it. His surrogates and supporters are also beating the drums. He has the power and obligation to stop it.
Similar to his role in the "birther" movement, he is fueling the flames without proof.
So you are saying that a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop a stupid conspiracy?

Whose supporters were the first to mention the birther movement?



You are lying yet again about that.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/
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It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.


She had the power and obligation to stop it.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:14 am 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
He isn't the only one saying it. His surrogates and supporters are also beating the drums. He has the power and obligation to stop it.
Similar to his role in the "birther" movement, he is fueling the flames without proof.
So you are saying that a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop a stupid conspiracy?

Whose supporters were the first to mention the birther movement?



You are lying yet again about that.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/
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It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.


She had the power and obligation to stop it.


What proof do you have that she started it?

"Appears"

"Democrats supporting Clinton".

People that actually speak for Trump as well as Trump are making claims about a rigged system yet they have no obligation to cool it. No bias here.

That is all it takes for Avowed Hillary Haters such as yourself.

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What proof do you have that she started it?
I never said she started it.

Here is a helpful hint. If you are going to call someone a liar be sure to read their post first.

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What proof do you have that she started it?
I never said she started it.

Here is a helpful hint. If you are going to call someone a liar be sure to read their post first.



You have always intimated that she did and it is yet again a false equivalency. If you can't figure out how (on both fronts) that it is then we need not continue this.

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What proof do you have that she started it?
I never said she started it.

Here is a helpful hint. If you are going to call someone a liar be sure to read their post first.



You have always intimated that she did and it is yet again a false equivalency. If you can't figure out how (on both fronts) that it is then we need not continue this.
So you are the liar now. Good talk!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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What proof do you have that she started it?
I never said she started it.

Here is a helpful hint. If you are going to call someone a liar be sure to read their post first.



You have always intimated that she did and it is yet again a false equivalency. If you can't figure out how (on both fronts) that it is then we need not continue this.
So you are the liar now. Good talk!


Typical Brick style argument. If it is not Hillary Clinton herself why bring it up? Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up? Trump has claimed that the system was rigged. Just like he was the leader of the birther movement. They are not the same thing hence the use of the phrase "false equivalency".

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Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.

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He isn't the only one saying it. His surrogates and supporters are also beating the drums. He has the power and obligation to stop it.
Similar to his role in the "birther" movement, he is fueling the flames without proof.



Who are his surrogates? Sean Fucking Hannity? His kids? That Conway broad? The Republican Party, including his own vice presidential candidate, has pretty much disowned him. For the most part even Fox News isn't supporting him! The guy is on an island and just saying goofier and goofier shit each day.


Newt and 9/11 went on Sunday shows saying it.

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long time guy wrote:
He isn't the only one saying it. His surrogates and supporters are also beating the drums. He has the power and obligation to stop it.
Similar to his role in the "birther" movement, he is fueling the flames without proof.
So you are saying that a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop a stupid conspiracy?

Whose supporters were the first to mention the birther movement?



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long time guy wrote:
Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


They can stop what they and their surrogates say.

When you combine Trump's challenging of our system with his cozy relationship with Putin and Russia I think it's safe to say "great" isn't what he has in mind for our country.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


I didn't use the rather ambiguous "Presidential candidate" either. I'm saying Trump has the power to stop it because he is essentially the person that started it. If Hillary Clinton was the culprit behind the birther movement then I'd expect no less of her.

You attempted to link her to the birthed movement and thar was a lie. They never has any proof that anyone connected to her campaign started it either. You once again are initiating one of your false cause/false equivalency arguments and it is bogus. There is no correlation yet you keep pushing it anyway.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


I didn't use the rather ambiguous "Presidential candidate" either. I'm saying Trump has the power to stop it because he is essentially the person that started it. If Hillary Clinton was the culprit behind the birther movement then I'd expect no less of her.

You attempted to link her to the birthed movement and thar was a lie. They never has any proof that anyone connected to her campaign started it either. You once again are initiating one of your false cause/false equivalency arguments and it is bogus. There is no correlation yet you keep pushing it anyway.
Her supporters were the first to start the discussion and she did nothing to stop it. The fact you can't even admit she was wrong to do that makes you worse than Donald Trump.

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I bet Trumpets did it. This is the ole brick through your window on steroids.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


I didn't use the rather ambiguous "Presidential candidate" either. I'm saying Trump has the power to stop it because he is essentially the person that started it. If Hillary Clinton was the culprit behind the birther movement then I'd expect no less of her.

You attempted to link her to the birthed movement and thar was a lie. They never has any proof that anyone connected to her campaign started it either. You once again are initiating one of your false cause/false equivalency arguments and it is bogus. There is no correlation yet you keep pushing it anyway.
Her supporters were the first to start the discussion and she did nothing to stop it. The fact you can't even admit she was wrong to do that makes you worse than Donald Trump.



Can you name any of her "supporters" that were part of starting it?

In the case of Trump I can.

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Can you name any of her "supporters" that were part of starting it?

In the case of Trump I can.
I posted a link to a respected fact checking site. That is good enough for me.

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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


I didn't use the rather ambiguous "Presidential candidate" either. I'm saying Trump has the power to stop it because he is essentially the person that started it. If Hillary Clinton was the culprit behind the birther movement then I'd expect no less of her.

You attempted to link her to the birthed movement and thar was a lie. They never has any proof that anyone connected to her campaign started it either. You once again are initiating one of your false cause/false equivalency arguments and it is bogus. There is no correlation yet you keep pushing it anyway.



Her campaign was behind the "Obama may be a Muslim" movement.

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Can you name any of her "supporters" that were part of starting it?

In the case of Trump I can.
I posted a link to a respected fact checking site. That is good enough for me.



And I quoted from your link. Hardly definitive. Fact checkers has alead debunked it.

You still haven't released a name. Once you do it will be the Blumenthal dude and that has already been proven false. Only Breitbart and you are continuing with that one.

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And I quoted from your link. Hardly definitive. Fact checkers has alead debunked it.
What have they debunked?

No one is saying that Hillary started it. Her supporters did and she let it happen.

Trump was wrong to say she started it. He would have been right to say her supporters did. We know when these questions began.

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Nas wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


I didn't use the rather ambiguous "Presidential candidate" either. I'm saying Trump has the power to stop it because he is essentially the person that started it. If Hillary Clinton was the culprit behind the birther movement then I'd expect no less of her.

You attempted to link her to the birthed movement and thar was a lie. They never has any proof that anyone connected to her campaign started it either. You once again are initiating one of your false cause/false equivalency arguments and it is bogus. There is no correlation yet you keep pushing it anyway.



Her campaign was behind the "Obama may be a Muslim" movement.



This sure sounds like a campaign that both started a movement and took steps to see that this movement spread doesn't it?
There is also evidence that they had no intentions of stopping it either?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... onnection/

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Nas wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


I didn't use the rather ambiguous "Presidential candidate" either. I'm saying Trump has the power to stop it because he is essentially the person that started it. If Hillary Clinton was the culprit behind the birther movement then I'd expect no less of her.

You attempted to link her to the birthed movement and thar was a lie. They never has any proof that anyone connected to her campaign started it either. You once again are initiating one of your false cause/false equivalency arguments and it is bogus. There is no correlation yet you keep pushing it anyway.



Her campaign was behind the "Obama may be a Muslim" movement.



This sure sounds like a campaign that both started a movement and took steps to see that this movement spread doesn't it?
There is also evidence that they had no intentions of stopping it either.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... onnection/

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I don't know. Trump repeatedly saying that the election is rigged. Seems like he would have to power to, um, not say it.

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And I quoted from your link. Hardly definitive. Fact checkers has alead debunked it.
What have they debunked?

No one is saying that Hillary started it. Her supporters did and she let it happen.

Trump was wrong to say she started it. He would have been right to say her supporters did. We know when these questions began.


Which supporters?

Also for the sake of argument let's say it's true. How is it similar to what Trump is doing now?

He is promoting these rumors as he did with the Birther issue. That is why it is incumbent upon him to stop it. You still haven't and won't address it. Until you do adios.

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I don't know. Trump repeatedly saying that the election is rigged. Seems like he would have to power to, um, not say it.


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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


I didn't use the rather ambiguous "Presidential candidate" either. I'm saying Trump has the power to stop it because he is essentially the person that started it. If Hillary Clinton was the culprit behind the birther movement then I'd expect no less of her.

You attempted to link her to the birthed movement and thar was a lie. They never has any proof that anyone connected to her campaign started it either. You once again are initiating one of your false cause/false equivalency arguments and it is bogus. There is no correlation yet you keep pushing it anyway.



Her campaign was behind the "Obama may be a Muslim" movement.



This sure sounds like a campaign that both started a movement and took steps to see that this movement spread doesn't it?
There is also evidence that they had no intentions of stopping it either?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... onnection/


They put out that photo and Hillary repeatedly said "I take him at his word" like all the Republicans were doing.

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Nas wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Nas wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Just like in the case of Gore why bring it up?
It was brought up because you claimed a Presidential candidate has the power and obligation to stop it. That is true but it was also true in 2008 with Hillary and her supporters. Hillary said nothing about it because it was politically advantageous.

You know this and this is why you are desperately trying to change the discussion.


I didn't use the rather ambiguous "Presidential candidate" either. I'm saying Trump has the power to stop it because he is essentially the person that started it. If Hillary Clinton was the culprit behind the birther movement then I'd expect no less of her.

You attempted to link her to the birthed movement and thar was a lie. They never has any proof that anyone connected to her campaign started it either. You once again are initiating one of your false cause/false equivalency arguments and it is bogus. There is no correlation yet you keep pushing it anyway.



Her campaign was behind the "Obama may be a Muslim" movement.



This sure sounds like a campaign that both started a movement and took steps to see that this movement spread doesn't it?
There is also evidence that they had no intentions of stopping it either?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... onnection/


They put out that photo and Hillary repeatedly said "I take him at his word" like all the Republicans were doing.


She also said that she was staying the the race because he might be assassinated like RFK. Hilary is a power-hungry win at all costs politician.

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She did say that and it was bogus to do so. There was never proof about the photo and the I take him at his word stuff is what anyone would say.

It's like when the say she is a lesbian some would probably take her at her word most probably wouldn't. Really no way to know without her admitting it.

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