If you prefer, John Kerry then. He started in 1985, and was an actual elected political representative until he became Secretary of State which you seem to hold in such high regard.

John Kerry is an open and shut case. The only difference is he was a Senator while she was "married to the President", and was a Senator for about 2 decades more.

It is in no way sexism. I can't say I'm involved in the industry my wife works in either just because we are married.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You stated a whole lot more than the part regarding resilience. I addressed that too by the way. I'm not a half full kind of guy when it comes to politics. I don't think that all hope is lost when it comes to the system. I also do not believe that the system is in dire need of a "savior" either. I'm suspicious of people like that because it simply strikes me as a guy mad because he doesn't have a seat at the dinner table.

I like people that understand and embrace the system. We had the "change" agent 8 yrs ago and by most metrics where did it get anyone?

If you don't think referencing prior Presidents is relevant then I don't know what to tell you. It is absolutely relevant. Hillary Clinton is a product of the American political system as it is presently constituted. Nothing more nothing less.

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

If you think she was simply married to the President then once again you truly are ignorant of the inner workings of that particular White House. If that were the case then why did he put her in charge of one the biggest pieces of legislation of the past 75 years?

Well then quote what I said so I understand what you're referencing--that's typically the way internet discussions work. My point is that she isn't strong. Your point is that other politicians are weak, too. You seem to be trying to disagree with me by vehemently agreeing with me and are doing so because you cannot tolerate criticism of Hillary unless it also includes an indictment of our political system. Oddly enough, though,you simultaneously claim to support the system that you are indicting. Your whole line of reasoning makes this an utterly pointless exercise.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You mean the legislation that never passed?

All first ladies are given a cause. Nancy Reagan kept me off drugs. Barbara Bush was literacy. Hillary got health care. Laura Bush got tasked with not letting GW destroy everything. Michele Obama got "Don't be fat kids".

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The fact that it never passed is besides the point and to suggest that it was akin to a "cause" is false.

She was intimatelyinvolved in policy and strategy. She was one of the people that strongly advocated for bringing Dick Morris aboard. Ask him and AL Gore if she was simply a wife?

It was dead by 1994, it wasn't even supported by Democrats, and it caused the balance of power in Washington to shift.

Senior Health Policy Advisor Paul Starr has also said that Bill was the driving force behind the plan.

But once again, it was not a position that was voted on or with ANY power whatsoever.

If my wife were a Senator could I say I was in national politics too? I'm sure she would ask my opinion on things also. This is the 21st century. White men have a voice too.

She was a key player in the Clinton administration until someone ties her to the misdeeds of Bill Clinton, then she's suddenly a poor little wife with a bad husband.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

LTG is twisting himself into some pretty impressive knots here.

Ouch!

She has no resume, none, zero.

So what's left?

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Since when is the failed Health Care Reform Bill of 94 vital legislation? Hillary loves to take credit for the administrations success, and then deflect the failures by saying she was only the wife of the president.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Your narrative (and others) that she is incompetent doesn't quite jive either. If she is so incompetent then why do most people that have ever worked with her rave about her competence?

If she is so incompetent then why was there strong consideration within the Obama White House to have her replace Biden as VEEP?

She was a key player in the Clinton administration until someone ties her to the misdeeds of Bill Clinton, then she's suddenly a poor little wife with a bad husband.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

She's so competent, she's the best. Believe me.

You can't make this stuff up, folks.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

It was dead by 1994, it wasn't even supported by Democrats, and it caused the balance of power in Washington to shift.

Senior Health Policy Advisor Paul Starr has also said that Bill was the driving force behind the plan.

But once again, it was not a position that was voted on or with ANY power whatsoever.

If my wife were a Senator could I say I was in national politics too? I'm sure she would ask my opinion on things also. This is the 21st century. White men have a voice too.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Hillary was also a key player in the planning of the Normandy invasion, as well, she actually pulled Eisenhower's strings. He wanted Calais in the beginning.

Thank God Hillary was there.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

All you are really saying here is that it is her turn. Having a long career in Washington means nothing if you are diametrically opposed to the things shes done or the way she has done things.

If she was merely a wife then why and how do we know her position on issues like the crime bill, Nafta, welfare reform etc. Why in the hell was she going on peace keeping missions too? Laura Bush nor Nancy Reagan did that.

All you are really saying here is that it is her turn. Having a long career in Washington means nothing if you are diametrically opposed to the things shes done or the way she has done things.

She was a public figure. I know Tall Midget's positions on those issues and he didn't spend 8 years married to the President.

Also, she was gifted a Senate seat afterwards so I'm sure it came up more than it did for Laura Bush who seems happy to not have people yelling at her husband.

If Michelle Obama decides she wants to be a Senator(and she clearly would be given the same gift of a seat) we can't suddenly act like she was a policy maker because she told kids to stop being so fat.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

That is sort of the essence of perseverence which was the point that I addressed. To suggest that she doesn't have it is disingenuous. No one in Public life has taken more bullets than she has over the past 25 years.

John McCain has had nowhere near the political platform that Hillary Clinton has over the past 25 years. He is a high profile Senator that is it. If you think that she was merely "married to the President" then you are truly ignorant of the dynamics regarding their relationship. In true Nas like fashion you are also demonstrating a great deal of sexism.

The results would not doubt be similar. Sanders couldn't get any Democratic Senators to support him ( save one). That says a lot about what his future performance might be. Both Obama and Sanders touted their ability to change things. Neither has ever demonstrated that they could and neither has demonstrated a willingness to work with other politicians. That is sort of requirement for performing the job. I wonder what you mean by ridiculous. It seems like you had nothing else so might as well characterize.

She was a key player in the Clinton administration until someone ties her to the misdeeds of Bill Clinton, then she's suddenly a poor little wife with a bad husband.

If you prefer, John Kerry then. He started in 1985, and was an actual elected political representative until he became Secretary of State which you seem to hold in such high regard.

John Kerry is an open and shut case. The only difference is he was a Senator while she was "married to the President", and was a Senator for about 2 decades more.

It is in no way sexism. I can't say I'm involved in the industry my wife works in either just because we are married.

Well then quote what I said so I understand what you're referencing--that's typically the way internet discussions work. My point is that she isn't strong. Your point is that other politicians are weak, too. You seem to be trying to disagree with me by vehemently agreeing with me and are doing so because you cannot tolerate criticism of Hillary unless it also includes an indictment of our political system. Oddly enough, though,you simultaneously claim to support the system that you are indicting. Your whole line of reasoning makes this an utterly pointless exercise.