A senior senator like McCain has no gravitas in the Senate?

I'm sure Mitch McConnell will be reasonable, and do his job when Hillary is president, just as he has for the last eight years. If you believe that, then you don't get to say that anybody else is blinded by partisanship.



Yeah, how crazy of me to think that they are going to do what they say they are going to do, which is exactly what they are doing now.

If they were just off-hand remarks as you suggest, then why did he run away from reporters who wanted to ask him about it?



He challenged what sure looked like some shady ballots, in a state run by his opponent's brother. How outrageous. When the SC decision came down, he conceded gracefully, as the video I linked shows.

If this election comes down to a difference of 537 votes in a state of sixteen million, like it did in 2000, and Trump protests, I will be right here to apologize to you. If this is the landslide that looks to be inevitable, and he protests, I will expect one from you.



Was it numerous Gore voters, or was it just two people? No need to fabricate if the truth is on your side.



You can't dismiss my mention of the current Congress not hearing Garland as off topic, and then try to go there.

If you are seriously trying to suggest that the Dems under Bush were as obstructionist as the current Repubs are under Obama, then I don't know what to say, other than you really like false equivalencies.



Changing the subject, and character assassination. The tools of the ill-equipped.

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I was responding to your accusation of being a mult coward.

I will apologize to you if it is a landslide and Donald cries foul.

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There is a big difference between saying something and doing something.

The nomination process is designed to give the Senate as much power as the President. It's basically a negotiation between the two branches of government. There is no harm in saying that now. When it comes down to it, they'll hear the nominee.

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There's this narrative that the country is more polarized than ever, but it just isn't true. I mean if you stop and think for even a second, you know there was once a Civil War. I was at the Dawes House in Evanston during Open House Chicago and there was an old political sign with a cartoon of a guy beating up another guy that said, "COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!" It's always been just like it is now.

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Not to mention the whole point of political parties is to get as close to an even divide as possible. We don't want the Democrats or Republicans to ever have such a huge share of the population that they can do whatever they want. I think the narrative mostly comes from liberal Democrats that can't believe that everyone doesn't see that their way of thinking is clearly superior. Add in the tendency for them to portray those who disagree in terrible ways(see McCain in 2008) and it looks like we are divided.

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True Jorr. There are probably two things at play in that idea. One is there is a feeling now (maybe always been) by many folks that their time they are experiencing right now is the best or worst of all time. It must be nature that makes one need to validate their "times". You see it in sports, politics or basically anything even pizza places. Second, in no other time have people been bombarded by both sides with all of this stuff that we used to be insulated from when it comes to politics. It has to appear as the worst of times to many.

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I think it's always been like this from the people, but it's become much worse from a governing pov.

You can't even attempt to work with a member of the opposition party without throwing your spot into turmoil and being branded a "RINO" or whatever Democrats are called.

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Maybe there will be a positive that comes out of this disastrous election. After seeing a truly terrible, horrible candidate for Republicans maybe the Democrats will slow their roll when using such divisive terms on "normal" opponents. It really seems quite silly now to me how terrible and horrible McCain and Romney were deemed at this point.

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Is this really true though?

I mean, it was true on health care but we went 8 years with Obama and the country did just fine and we've seen a lot of things change.

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But I also think that's a media narrative. One man's "refusing to work together" is another man's "checks and balances".

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This is again likely due to the internet/information explosion. All the factions of the parties can immediately get on their politicians for anything they deem a transgression from their interests. Really hard to be Tip O'Neil or even Newt Gingrinch making back room deals to get stuff done. No way anymore to politicians feel they can leave the reservation for even a single issue.

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The funny thing is for a lot of those supposed "won't work with the other party" things they didn't even have full Democratic support. 34 Democrats voted AGAINST Obamacare.

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This is why people think there is a bias. The media is in a frenzy over how "dangerous" stupid Trump is in popping off about possibly refusing to accept the results of the election, as if such could bring down the Republic. But the manner in which Obamacare was passed, on a Sunday night without a single Republican vote, broke a long history of tradition and caused far more damage to the political process than any of Trump's ramblings ever will, and it seemed to me it was hardly addressed by anyone except Fox News.

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That's different now for MANY.

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Yes it's true. There wasn't bipartisanship on any major piece of legislation.

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Not to mention media outlets also. Fox News nor MSNBC progressive types will allow for any sort of opposition viewpoints to be discussed.

We really haven't had true bi partisanship since Bill Clinton was president. He has been eviscerated by progressive liberal Democrats for it ever since. It is the main reason that I didn't support Bernie Sanders. Regardless of whether I agreed or disagreed with his ideas was my belief that he wouldn't be able to get legislation passed.

There is no way that he would have been able to work with other side. Ideological dogma would have prevented he and especially his supporters from allowing other viewpoints to be heard.

We had bipartisanship on the Iraq War but Democrats i.e. Hillary Clinton paid a heavy price for it. People tend to forget the political climate and evidence which led many to for it. They simply remember that it was a bad vote.

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Bill Clinton'd "bipartisanship" helped to lead to the collapse of the world economy. "Bipartanship" now means giving the donor class whatever they want. So let's quit with the bullshit talk about working with the other side and normal candidates when the Republican party has been insane since the rise of Rush Limbaugh and his like. Sarah Palin was the the VP candidate in 2008. So let's quit acting like that was a "normal" candidacy.

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Nah, Trumps refusing to accept the election results has potentially far worse consequences. It may be nothing... but it could be something big and it continues to erode trust in things that we have to have people believe in. There were other checks in place that could have revoked Obamacare, and they've all failed. That was procedural... Trump's affects more than just procedures.

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It's absolutely true. The arrogance of left wingers certainly exists, but some of it is justified. The extreme Right (Trump's biggest fans) believe that working with any Democrat is treason, and that irrationality is primarily stoked by news outlets and talk radio.

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Clinton and Gingrinch worked on many things and I doubt it led to the collapse of the world economy. Limbaugh has been around since Clinton and he was small potatoes then building his brand off the fringes. Obviously Palin was a disastrous mistake made by McCain and his people. But it was just that a mistake. Nothing you typed takes away form my point that many today on both sides would rather have a normal candidate even one they disagree with. In that scenario at least reasonable discussion and debate can take place. After seeing what truly horrible is in Trump many would rethink their discriptions of previous (R) candidates.

What you typed and I bolded simply shows that people no longer wish to even consider anything other than their own views without calling them insane.

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So how did any legislation get passed over these 8 years?

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Obama did not need any bipartisan help in his first two years. He had both houses.

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That's just crazy talk

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It's not a one side is better than the other argument. Bill Clinton left office with a balanced budget and a surplus. First President since Eisenhower to do so.

The collapse of the American economy had much more to do with Bush tax cuts and his out of control spending. It also had to do with free market proponents that repeatedly told the world not to concern themselves with deficits

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Obama was not particularly well liked...plus the POTUS quickly finds out that Congress, even his/her own party, no longer has their back...congressmen have their own agendas...at the top of which is getting elected for the rest of their lives.

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I'm sorry, but Republican views are insane: Anti-climate change, anti-stem cell, religion over science, refuse to even consider Supreme Court nominations, shut down the government if you don't get your way, preach trimming government while starting wars all over the world, deregulation of financial markets.

This party before all started with Reagan, and it's only gotten worse. Do you think Trump is an outlier? Ted Cruz a Christian Mullah was their second choice. Trump is a symptom of a rotten core.

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If you think that anyone will be able to govern from the fringes of Government then you are delusional. Not all Republicans are Ted Cruz either.

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Tha Religious Far Right executed a plan to take over the GOP and did a pretty good job of it.

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HW's defeat pretty much killed bipartisanship.

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Can you stop saying there were no republican votes?

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