No. Because there weren't.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

How many denounce Cruz though? His minister regularly says gays will burn in hell. The Republicans are a disaster right now. How else could Cruz and Trump be their top two choices. The third highest, Rubio was no gem either.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

My only hope is that Trump and Cruz and this year in general is some twisted outlier actually. All of those views you mention collectively pose a problem that are a big problem with what the "right" has become. Speaking very generally each one you list can be discussed reasonably and normal people can come to some sort of accommodation (usually).

The main "right" problem is the Democrats really have them in a trick bag. They have been for a while able to hold everything under their tent in some sort of unified fashion. On the other hand the Republicans have become a bit of a junk yard collecting up every sort of thought/voter that is opposed to the Democrat ideals. Trying to placate so many fragmented positions as well as voters of all sorts of backgrounds has them very lost and vulnerable. It has taken a long time to get to Trump or Cruz because of this.

If Republicans were what they were and not fragmented as I explained they would not have to deal with people saying they are part of them. Having to try to appeal to everything from Wall Street to Joe the Plumber to Evangelicals is probably not possible.

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Elections have consequences.

Thank you for saying this.

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Elections have consequences.

From Wiki: The House passed the Senate bill with a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010, with 34 Democrats and all 178 Republicans voting against it. The next day, Republicans introduced legislation to repeal the bill. Obama signed ACA into law on March 23, 2010.

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If the votes are there to pass it without them who gives a fuck if there are votes from the other party?

The people that complained that Republicans have fought it and continue to fight it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's not how major legislation was ever passed previously and you'd be the first one to cry like a baby if Republicans jammed something through like that without seeking consensus.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I covered this with you before and you're still saying it. He voted for it for the same reason Democrats voted against it.


http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/articl ... google.com

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GO BEARS!!!

In theory, regardless of the party in power or piece of legislation that seemed like the old theory of bipartisanship. Whether you need their votes or not people would reach across the aisle to avoid alienating the other side. You may need them later basically.

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I don't know what "Newsmax" is but the first ten sites that appear on Google say no Republicans voted in favor. Do you think the Wiki is wrong? It could be.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Aren't the GOP the ones who say they are going to repeal it by Executive Order? Or by using the same budget reconciliation process the Dems did (which by the way would be unconstitutional for them)? Hmmm.... Me thinks the crybabies are projecting a bit.

So "checks and balances" is now defined as "fuck you do it our way"? Good to know.

That's how government is supposed to work. Sadly that no longer is the case.

The other side is, "I want to do it this way, if you disagree, fuck you, you're evil."

It's impossible to have a reasonable conversation with someone as partisan as you.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm surprised that you don't know that Newsmax is a far right site/magazine. Maybe this will help you.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/was ... bill_N.htm

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His vote was in 2009. Wasn't the final House vote in 2010?

He voted no on the final bill.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I wish we could vote on laws and not for stupid people.

Show me where I said that. Please. And I want government to be down the middle. Something those of you who lean right want no part of at all.

Ted Cruz has been blasted by a number of people in the Republican Party for being a flip flopper and an obstructionist. Rubio isn't a fanatic either. If we are going to hold Cruz responsible for what his minister says then we would have had to do the same thing with Obama for what Jeremiah Wright spewed.

I think the Republican party is at a crossroads frankly. I commented on it months ago and we are witnessing the manifestation of it now. Their leaders have sold out to right wing media bomb throwers for the better part of 20 years now. This group has a tremendous amount of influence on Republican politics. They cannot extinguish themselves from this faction for fear of losing elections. For all the talk about liberal media there really isn't an equivalent to Hannity and Limbaugh on the left.

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I don't

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GO BEARS!!!

I have to disagree with that. It's hysteria. What do you think might happen? That Trump will lead a group of West Virginians with pitchforks to throw Hillary out of the White House? Him "not accepting" the result would be as significant as the Dodgers not accepting their loss in the NLCS because Gonzales was safe at home, that is to say not at all.



I realize that the definition of "right wing" has been changed colloquially to mean a racist hater, but it traditionally refers to conservatives, and the true right wingers, i.e. small government conservatives, don't support Trump at all. Trump's base is the uneducated, unemployed, dispossessed white guy who is looking for government to fix his problems. That's really as far from right wing as you can get.


My problem with Hillary Clinton is that she is absolutely Nixonian. Nixon was driven from office and no one would have considered voting for him after his misdeeds came to light. But 45 years later voting for Clinton feels like voting for Nixon after becoming aware of all the bad stuff. The only reason to vote for her is that she is running against Mussolini. If I were in a battleground state I absolutely would vote for her, but I'm not "with her" and I wouldn't feel good about doing it.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This is a good example of the problems today. If no one knew that it was you writing the paragraph above it would be labelled as that of a Trump supporter or right winger. Worse yet it would be dismissed as not being honest and somehow an attack rather than simply an opinion. Then some on the left would feel the need to attack back and actually defend Clinton and maybe more. Maybe it was LTG somewhere in the earlier posts. Reasonable discussion is generally not possible right now.

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Small government republicans aren't really considered right wing. When liberals reference right wing they typically mean Christian right neo con types. Small government fiscal conservatives typically are referenced to mean Eisenhower Republicans.

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Stop being dramatic. There is reasonable discussion on this board every day.

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I understand. That's why I mentioned the changing definition. The point is, Trump is far from a conservative candidate.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Only in the DiCaro thread.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I agree. I actually have fault with some of the positions taken by Hillary Clinton. I defend her because some of the criticisms of her are unfair.

She does have some Nixon in her too. I actually think Nixon was a good President Watergate notwithstanding.


The main reason that I am voting for her is due to my belief that she will able to work with Republicans in order to get legislation passed. That has been the history of the Clintons with respect to governing.

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Thank you. I am disheartened by the agendas of the neo cons and Christian right. They don't believe in small government at all, and that is why I now label myself a Ron Paul Republican or a Libertarian. We have lost the battle for a reduced Federal Government, sound money, free trade, fiscal balance, and military restraint. The majority of the Republican Party wants to push endless military spending and intervention, non stop budget busting tax cuts, and fight on social issues like gay rights and abortion.

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