You need to check your Cub fan privilege. The Cub fan is like the white man on top. Cub fans hate as much as Sox fans, but the hatred manifests itself in different ways. In 2005 the Cub fan acted like baseball wasn't even being played. And you can see that attitude on this board to this very day with the "Sox got lucky" threads. Cub fan bernstein is even promoting it on the radio. I'm not sure if Bill Murray even knows the Sox won in 2005. In any case, he and MANY Cub fans consider it insignificant.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm a lifelong Sox fan. I don't want to see the Cubs win but if they do I'll be happy for them and their fans.

Cub fan ambivalence towards the Sox is a big myth unsurprisingly promoted by Cub fans. In years in which the Sox were decidedly better than the Cubs Cubs fans clung to the attendance issue as a means of demonstrating superiority. Things like the surrounding neighborhoods, and who had the better bars were all a big deal. T.V. ratings were touted and the whole "if it were the Cubs this city would be turning on its collective heads with excitement.

I happened to be in Pippins on Rush street for one of the Sox Astros games and the people that weren't openly rooting against the Sox were acting ambivalent. There definitely wasn't a root for the Sox because of Chicago solidarity movement in effect.

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I wouldn't say the ambivalence is a myth, but rather that it's an aggressive and specifically tailored act used to put Sox fans "in their place". It's not real ambivalence at all.

I will never spend another dime in a Grant DePorter establishment after Game 3 of the 2005 World Series when the little redhead managing the Harry Caray's in Rosemont unabashedly rooted for the Astros throughout the game.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Agreed. There should be no animosity. The White Sox did it first and that is all that matters.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

but the WhitweSox did it before that.

The Sox got there first. Even f the Cubs win 3 WS in the next decade, the Sox won the race. That will never change.

If the Cubs dont win it this year, MANY posts will be made avout the Indians being better than the Astros, and the Cubs lack of home field advantage.

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I actually like the Sox fans not showing up when the team blows, if the Cub fans had that attitude we wouldn't have sucked for so long..its why the Bears n Bulls continually suck and no major changes take place.

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Some Sox Subdivision.

I wish you luck because I am gracious. It does not mean I am rooting for them.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

not true. It also matters that they did it better

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

You may understand later that a World Series win takes away all the hate.

The antagonism is for fun for the past decade.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

This

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My comment was in jest. The only one I see jumping ship is FavreFan, but he has no loyalty.

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In 2005, I was shocked to see any Cub fan root for the Astros (a team that had been perpetually dominating the division and kicking their ass year in and year out). I was happy to see those idiots lose.

Similarly, I'm shocked to see Sox fans supporting the Indians. It's a division rival, you should hate the Indians far more than the Cubs.

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You're touching on the thing that disturbs me, particularly with regard to some of these celebrity Cub "fans". There's the promotion of the idea that only their interest makes the Cubs significant. And that ties into the attendance talk. I don't question Bill Murray's bona fides as a Cub fan, but he does manage to project this feeling that, "Well, I'm here, now the game can start."

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I think most Sox fans detest the Indians....hard to pull for them.

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Ya, at that time I hated those Astros. Biggio, Berkman, Bagwell (a shell of himself at that point but still alive)and Clemens. I was happy to see the Sox win.

Yeah. It's a very small minority of my friends that are Sox fans but they are out there.

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I have no rooting interest in this series.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I don't know one Sox fan that wants the Injuns to lose, not a single one.

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I want to say the Sox/Tribe "rivalry" has been doormat since the late 90s. No real bad blood as both teams have seemingly alternated competitive seasons for the most part once 2000 came along.

Other than Biggio, the Astros team was really an unlikable Bunch. This year's Cubs and Indians are both full of young players that seem to do things the right way. Lackey is probably the biggest shithead of them all, and even he isnt terrible.

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Fuck Cleveland.

Much like last season with Royals/Mets, I caught shit for predicting a Mets win from Cub fan friends because they were salty about the Cubs losing. Tough shit...I hate my division opponents more than I have any actual feeling about the Cubs doing anything.

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The Sox won in 2005? A World Series?

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How many do you know that don't care?

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You motherfu...

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Won the race?
Really...
What kind of turd polish is that?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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It really seems to be a personal frame of reference. If you know a few "opposite" fans that are asshats, then ALL "opposite" fans are asshats. I don't think there's a large movement either way, it's lots of individual experiences.

For the record, I think you're ALL asshats.

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I'd agree that there is more than a few large movements rooting for the south side.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Bill Murray wasn't at Sox playoff games like Cusack, or wearing a Sox hat on TV like Vedder. He gets points for not being a phony.

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