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pittmike

Post subject: Re: 10/24: Quiet Reflection & the Return of Terry

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:17 am

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Curious Hair wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

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Such is the absurdity inherent in all sports fandom but so magnified in this one, a one-way street of connection that’s radiating such joy in large part due to the truth that only one end of the relationship cares about it that much.

This portion of the sentence is driving my brain insane. It's so jagged. A jumble of words. How could his editor (is there an editor) believe there shouldn't be a tighter sentence?

THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT

No, there is no editor, as was apparent when Tim Baffoe referred to sympathizing with one's kidnapper as "Helsinki syndrome," which is actually when you sympathize with your kidnapper and your kidnapper is Teemu Selanne.

formerlyknownas wrote:

It's a one-way street which radiates emotion (as one-way streets are wont to do)

streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet emooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooootion

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Rod

Post subject: Re: 10/24: Quiet Reflection & the Return of Terry

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:01 am

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

As if the Cubs are the only team that shifts. EVERY. FUCKING. TEAM. USES. SHIFTS. It's not just random for everyone but the Cubs either. The thing is though, as the data is coming in and the sample is growing, it's becoming clear that all of these radical shifts are actually doing very little, if anything, to reduce BABIP.

Overall BABIP, yes. On pulled grounders, however, the overall BABIP is down 13 points to .183 since, I think, 2011. Similarly, the BABIP on opposite-handed grounders is up to .379 from .255. However, if you have enough data (and enough samples), there will be a "break even" point, at which it becomes sensible to shift on a hitter to their pull side and open yourself up to the oppo-grounder, because of the hitter's overall tendencies.

Lou Boudreau knew that in 1946 and he didn't even have a computer.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Lou Boudreau knew that in 1946 and he didn't even have a computer.

That guy is an old time, crusty baseball idiot!

He didn't do it the right way.

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Walt Williams Neck

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Lou Boudreau knew that in 1946 and he didn't even have a computer.

Actually Jimmy Dykes came up with the shift.....

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jimmypasta

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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:39 am

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Dykes did come up with it,but it was under "Good Kid" it became a "thing".

http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post ... -the-shift

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jimmypasta

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If you want to talk about creative White Sox managers,old Paul Richards used to start a RH pitcher,have him throw to one guy,pull him and put a LH pitcher in against a platooned lineup.

This book looks good!

https://www.amazon.com/Wizard-Waxahachi ... 0870745565

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good dolphin

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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:52 am

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When I'm out on the street
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
I cheer the way I want to cheer

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: 10/24: Quiet Reflection & the Return of Terry

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:00 am

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Reading up on Paul Richards and these tactics looked familiar:

https://prestonjg.wordpress.com/2009/09 ... lly-odell/

I’ve looked at the other major league teams Richards managed to see what other pitcher-related hijinks he may have been involved in. Fritz Dorish is credited with a game at third base in 1951, Richards’ first season managing the White Sox, but Retrosheet does not have box scores and I can’t pin down the date or circumstances. (UPDATE 12/8/13: Since I wrote this, Retrosheet has added the box and play-by-play of that game.) In a 1953 game, lefty Billy Pierce moved to first base so Dorish, a righty, could face two batters in the ninth inning, then Pierce returned to the mound to complete a win over the Yankees. Sandy Consuegra moved to third base for one batter in 1954 before returning to the hill. (That same season, Richards used Harshman as a first baseman for two innings in a game in which he did not pitch.) Bill Wight moved off the mound for three batters in a 1955 Orioles game. After 1958, nothing. (By the way, my quick check for this is to go to the team batting page on Baseball-Reference.com, look at Pos. Summary under Team Advanced Batting and look for players who have other positions listed in addition to 1. And I should point out that under modern rules, namely Rule 10.20, a player listed on the lineup card who does not take the field does not get official credit for a game played at the position, making it impossible to use this method to find more recent players who were used the way Pappas and Harshman were in 1958.)

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badrogue17

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Sun-Times front page cover has a photo of a tombstone with photos and Cubs memorabilia decorating it. What disgusting , wrong thinking rubes this persons loved ones are!!

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pittmike

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badrogue17 wrote:

Sun-Times front page cover has a photo of a tombstone with photos and Cubs memorabilia decorating it. What disgusting , wrong thinking rubes this persons loved ones are!!

Bernsie wrote:

Indeed!

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Rod

Post subject: Re: 10/24: Quiet Reflection & the Return of Terry

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:52 am

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Walt Williams Neck wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Lou Boudreau knew that in 1946 and he didn't even have a computer.

Actually Jimmy Dykes came up with the shift.....

I think it was used even earlier than that, back in the 20s against a guy who played for the Cubs and was a power hitter for that time. I think the guy's name was Cy Williams.

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: 10/24: Quiet Reflection & the Return of Terry

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:58 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Walt Williams Neck wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Lou Boudreau knew that in 1946 and he didn't even have a computer.

Actually Jimmy Dykes came up with the shift.....

I think it was used even earlier than that, back in the 20s against a guy who played for the Cubs and was a power hitter for that time. I think the guy's name was Cy Williams.

I think you mean Babe Schwarber

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blackhawksfan

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:02 pm

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I thought Boers was retiring at the end of 2016. Are you telling me he got paid to take a long health vacation only to retire 2 months later? Might as well replace him now!

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