And bein' in the World Series ain't one.

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Unless they blow it, that is pretty much what Cleveland did.

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Sox nation with some awful baseball thoughts here .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

The Indians traded Kyle Schwarber for Andrew Miller and won a WS title?

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I thought old Cub fans were reactionary simpletons, but maybe it's not just us.

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They were willing to meet the Yankees asking price for Andrew Miller.

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So, you think that if the Cubs had traded Schwarber for Andrew Miller, they'd win the World Series easily?

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I think they would win it.

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Why?

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While I am not sure I agree with the sentiment, I will guess the answer would be because he would not be on Cleveland and kicking the Cubs' asses right now.

Cubs fans taking out their teams futility on Sox fans.

But the good news is that you should be happy because the Cubs have a good team for the future.

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Flawed, but I'd like to talk to Rick. No offense.

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Futility... they're in the World Series.

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I am sure he will get back to you quickly. I want to see if my guess is right.

I'll take Maddon. He's not coaching Baez to swing above his head.

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It's with how he has been used. You could have pitched Lester more. Kluber is going less time because they know what they have in Miller. It's also quite a psychological advantage to know that after a certain inning you are going to find it difficult to get any runs. Also, Cleveland wouldn't have him and Theo knew that another contender was going to pick him up. Also, while it doesn't matter for this year, he is also with the team next year which is right in your "many bites at the apple" strategy.

Obviously I don't know for certain but Cleveland seems to be getting a lot of benefit from him.

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I thought those whitey tighty pajama parties were supposed to smooth that out?

I think if the Cubs traded everyone they have to other teams so they have no relief pitchers who are good they'd be winning this series.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

The bolded part is the flawed logic (well, at least part of it). You don't trade for guys simply because they might wind up on a contender that you MIGHT face. That's especially true of an AL team. I mean, are you proposing that the Cubs should have traded for every single good player on the market so that they didn't wind up on a contender?

Additionally, Cleveland wasn't even considered a favorite in the AL. Are the Cubs supposed to acquire players for every possible scenario? (That's rhetorical... obviously, that's impossible.)

The third point would be that the Cubs biggest deficiency in the playoffs has been their offense. Acquiring Miller does nothing to help that. And if he's as valuable as you say he is, they wouldn't even be facing the Indians.

Lastly, the Cubs are in the World Series. They're as good as any team in baseball. If they lose this series, which seems likely, you tip your cap to the Indians for having a great run and give it another go next year.

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I know Rogue is being facetious here, but he's right. This is the same logic you are all applying.

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So instead of Cleveland it would be Toronto up 3-1 right now if Cubs had Miller.

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Miller was the prize of the whole trade deadline though and the cost was primarily going to be a guy that played two games for the Cubs and who has no future of being an every day player on any team in the NL.
No, but maybe get the best one available if you want to give yourself the best chance to win the World Series.
Are you now trying to say the Cubs would not be significantly better with Miller?
Well, you would have had Miller for next year too. Will Theo go all-in for next year if they don't win it this year?

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Nonwithstanding the fact that the guy who they "should've"' traded is probably the main reason they won the only game they have so far this series .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

WTF, Miller is why the Cubs have won only 1 game?

Are Kluber and Tomlin figments of everyone's imagination?

Why will Kluber be available for 3 games this series?

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He's a really good pitcher who has been able to get through 6 innings without throwing 90 pitches in either outing.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Again, the concept of "good" managing is really just an illusion and actually nothing more than players performing.

I would say that Francona is over-managing his team in this series and it has happened to work out because his players have simply performed. Pulling those starters so early when they are cruising along is great when Miller/Shaw/etc. come in and shut the opponent down, but if that doesn't happen, believe me, there are Indians fans wondering why the fuck he would remove Tomlin in the fifth inning with a two-hitter and less than 60 pitches.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm no baseball expert so I'll defer to you. To me, it seems like Andrew Miller is valuable. I guess he isn't.

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No one in this thread Miller is not valuable.