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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:28 pm 
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No one in this thread Miller is not valuable.
People keep on shooting me down for reasons he is valuable. Can you tell me the impact he is having on this series then?

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If the Cubs drop the series whether tonight or the next 2, the game 3 shutout is the series right there . Miller pitched 1.1 innings and was gone by the. 7th. He was no more impactful than any of the other pitchers Cleveland used that night. The Cubs had 7 plus other innings to hit against everyone but Miller and failed. The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.

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The Warriors lost last year because they failed to sign LBJ when he was a free agent and it bit them in the ass.

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The Warriors lost last year because they failed to sign LBJ when he was a free agent and it bit them in the ass.

They didn't make that mistake this year !! Durant ftw!!!

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The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


A big reason the offense is a problem is because they are not facing the Giant shit bullpen or the Dodger shit bullpen (other than Jansen), but a bullpen with Miller, Shaw, Allen....The Cubs are no longer playing shit ass NL teams. Welcome to the AL Central, Cub fans.


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The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


A big reason the offense is a problem is because they are not facing the Giant shit bullpen or the Dodger shit bullpen (other than Jansen), but a bullpen with Miller, Shaw, Allen....The Cubs are no longer playing shit ass NL teams. Welcome to the AL Central, Cub fans.

They ain't doing much against the starters either my baked hard rubber friend.

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The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


A big reason the offense is a problem is because they are not facing the Giant shit bullpen or the Dodger shit bullpen (other than Jansen), but a bullpen with Miller, Shaw, Allen....The Cubs are no longer playing shit ass NL teams. Welcome to the AL Central, Cub fans.

They ain't doing much against the starters either my baked hard rubber friend.


Correct. But they have faced Kluber twice in 4 games. Tomlin matches up well with their flaws (like Rich Hill). Kershaw was way too jacked in his second start. Couldn't get a breaking ball over the plate. Fastball was up too.

This is going back to Cleveland unless Drone Boy can get missed swings on breaking balls tonight.


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The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


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This lineup tonight is no good. Russell batting 5th and Heyward 6th, followed by Baez and Ross. If the top 4 don't do it, this will be ugly.

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Kirkwood wrote:
The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


The Cubs should have traded for Cleveland's entire roster. Then they wouldn't be in this position.

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Kirkwood wrote:
The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


The Cubs should have traded for Cleveland's entire roster. Then they wouldn't be in this position.


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badrogue17 wrote:
If the Cubs drop the series whether tonight or the next 2, the game 3 shutout is the series right there . Miller pitched 1.1 innings and was gone by the. 7th. He was no more impactful than any of the other pitchers Cleveland used that night. The Cubs had 7 plus other innings to hit against everyone but Miller and failed. The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


right; it's simple...they couldn't manufacture a run. they had chances and they squandered them. i really think not having schwarber in the lineup in the past few games drained a lot out of the lineup. they were getting fired up with him there. they lost all signs of life since.


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LOL, two Cy Young and Two MVP candidates are not enough? Guys have just gone cold in the playoffs.

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one guy can have a big impact on the rest. especially someone who is in the meat of the order.


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leashyourkids wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


The Cubs should have traded for Cleveland's entire roster. Then they wouldn't be in this position.


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I honestly don't mean this in a Cubs-Sox demeaning way, but some of you Sox fans honestly sound just like the Cub fans you make fun of. This team was easily good enough to win the World Series, and (unless a miracle occurs), it just didn't happen. If there's a single criticism to be had, it's that their lineup struggles with off-speed stuff. But that's picking nit. They won the pennant and ran up against a hot team in the Series.

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badrogue17 wrote:
If the Cubs drop the series whether tonight or the next 2, the game 3 shutout is the series right there . Miller pitched 1.1 innings and was gone by the. 7th. He was no more impactful than any of the other pitchers Cleveland used that night. The Cubs had 7 plus other innings to hit against everyone but Miller and failed. The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


right; it's simple...they couldn't manufacture a run. they had chances and they squandered them. i really think not having schwarber in the lineup in the past few games drained a lot out of the lineup. they were getting fired up with him there. they lost all signs of life since.

The Cubs offense has been bad but I'd say its more like the entire Indian pitching staff. Otero, Shaw, Miller, Allen, Kluber and Tomlin. All those guys have been great and covered like 90% of the outs outside of Game 2

Cubs need a better bullpen too. Strop and Rondon falling off/ getting injured after the Chapman deal is looming large. I envisioned a Royals type thing with Strop, Rondon, Chapman but its been nothing like that, obviously


Again tho Cub offense has been mediocre at best throughout playoffs


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one guy can have a big impact on the rest. especially someone who is in the meat of the order.

If they can't handle a guy who wasn't by any stretch of the imagination even supposed to be ready to swing a bat until spring training not being in the lineup, then they're mentally weak and don't deserve to win anyway. They won w/o him the entire year.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


The Cubs should have traded for Cleveland's entire roster. Then they wouldn't be in this position.


Then they would have had a team that played 91 games against teams .500 and over instead of the 56 games played by the current Cub roster!


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Peter Puck wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


A big reason the offense is a problem is because they are not facing the Giant shit bullpen or the Dodger shit bullpen (other than Jansen), but a bullpen with Miller, Shaw, Allen....The Cubs are no longer playing shit ass NL teams. Welcome to the AL Central, Cub fans.

You believe the AL central is a dominant division?

Or just the Indians bulpen?


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Peter Puck wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


The Cubs should have traded for Cleveland's entire roster. Then they wouldn't be in this position.


Then they would have had a team that played 91 games against teams .500 and over instead of the 56 games played by the current Cub roster!

Wow. Impressive hate here. Lots of calories burned on hatred. Good stuff


Is that 56 game thing legit? Seems a little weird but could be true I guess


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


A big reason the offense is a problem is because they are not facing the Giant shit bullpen or the Dodger shit bullpen (other than Jansen), but a bullpen with Miller, Shaw, Allen....The Cubs are no longer playing shit ass NL teams. Welcome to the AL Central, Cub fans.

You believe the AL central is a dominant division?

Or just the Indians bulpen?

This clown doesn't believe anything.

He's an America mult.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


A big reason the offense is a problem is because they are not facing the Giant shit bullpen or the Dodger shit bullpen (other than Jansen), but a bullpen with Miller, Shaw, Allen....The Cubs are no longer playing shit ass NL teams. Welcome to the AL Central, Cub fans.

You believe the AL central is a dominant division?

Or just the Indians bulpen?

Indian bullpen this year, KC last year. But the NL is filled with shit ass teams. Dodgers and Giants would not have sniffed the playoffs in the AL. Those offensive lineups and bullpens were comparable to the White Sox'. Awful.


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Peter Puck wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


The Cubs should have traded for Cleveland's entire roster. Then they wouldn't be in this position.


Then they would have had a team that played 91 games against teams .500 and over instead of the 56 games played by the current Cub roster!


Meaningless. This series could easily be tied at two.

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badrogue17 wrote:
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one guy can have a big impact on the rest. especially someone who is in the meat of the order.

If they can't handle a guy who wasn't by any stretch of the imagination even supposed to be ready to swing a bat until spring training not being in the lineup, then they're mentally weak and don't deserve to win anyway. They won w/o him the entire year.


they won against the dodgers without him too. i'm talking about the situation specific to these past few games. they were riding high on schwarber's presence in game 2 and i am pretty sure had they carried that into game 3, the series would be ending tonight in a good way.

of course cleveland's pitching has been awesome; but the cubs have let a lot of them off the hook in many situations.


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Peter Puck wrote:
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Peter Puck wrote:
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The offense has been the problem, not Andrew Miller.


A big reason the offense is a problem is because they are not facing the Giant shit bullpen or the Dodger shit bullpen (other than Jansen), but a bullpen with Miller, Shaw, Allen....The Cubs are no longer playing shit ass NL teams. Welcome to the AL Central, Cub fans.

You believe the AL central is a dominant division?

Or just the Indians bulpen?

Indian bullpen this year, KC last year. But the NL is filled with shit ass teams. Dodgers and Giants would not have sniffed the playoffs in the AL. Those offensive lineups and bullpens were comparable to the White Sox'. Awful.

The Indians absolutely demolished the two "best" AL teams though.

And no the White Sox are not similar to the Dodgers that's a huge stretch. Giants maybe they were garbage in second half.

Anyway, Go Cubs. Glad you're enjoying the series!


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Peter Puck wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


The Cubs should have traded for Cleveland's entire roster. Then they wouldn't be in this position.


Then they would have had a team that played 91 games against teams .500 and over instead of the 56 games played by the current Cub roster!

Wow. Impressive hate here. Lots of calories burned on hatred. Good stuff


Is that 56 game thing legit? Seems a little weird but could be true I guess


http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagu ... ings.shtml

NL playoff teams played far less games against teams .500 and over than AL playoff teams did. White Sox played 112 games against teams .500 and over.


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I honestly don't mean this in a Cubs-Sox demeaning way, but some of you Sox fans honestly sound just like the Cub fans you make fun of. This team was easily good enough to win the World Series, and (unless a miracle occurs), it just didn't happen. If there's a single criticism to be had, it's that their lineup struggles with off-speed stuff. But that's picking nit. They won the pennant and ran up against a hot team in the Series.

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Peter Puck wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
The Cubs should've traded for Kluber. The World Series would be won if they did. Would've solved the pitching issue Frank identified.


The Cubs should have traded for Cleveland's entire roster. Then they wouldn't be in this position.


Then they would have had a team that played 91 games against teams .500 and over instead of the 56 games played by the current Cub roster!


Meaningless. This series could easily be tied at two.


Except it's 3-1.


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