If you don't know what you're talking about, it's probably best to shut the fuck up.

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Yea, you're right. No one cares about hockey so it's not a huge deal in the U.S.

Personally it's the Maple Leafs. Torontonians are a buncha dicksmokers but they've gone through a lot of shit.

OK sorry i missed 84 and 85... in which 84 they damn near went to the world series and still didn't fill 30 percent of the seats.
But you're still very wrong. The packed house (with the exception of a few years in mid 80s when they looked like ws contenders) they're weren't filling the place, not selling out games. They had an average attendance under 26k. Park can handle 40.


Edited for clarity... I said didn't fill 30 percent of the seats... when I mean is 30 percent were unfilled.

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Where is the filled to capacity Wrigley that you speak of though? Roughly 27000 per game is not a full Wrigley not even by 80's capacity.

Once again the packed house is a very recent phenomenon. We're talking about a 100 plus year old stadium that never cracked 30k per game until 1989.

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I never used the word "capacity". Of course there are shitty games in April that bring the average down. But in the middle of summer the park has been pretty much full ever since '84 and attendance really went up in the 90s. Attendance went up across baseball. I think the Cubs have only drawn less than 2,000,000 a couple times since 1984. From the late 90s on it's been closer to 2.7 million every season.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

sports didn't always report paid attendance, right? didn't they use to report turnstile attendance?

those tank years were some really empty games. i would score bleacher tix for like $5-$20 bucks.

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Yeah, the circa-late-'90s change from reporting asses in seats to tickets distributed coincides with fans freaking out over attendance figures. Funny how that works.

You see it a lot in the great North-versus-South hockey debates, where some assclown comes in like "Actually, Hartford only drew 11,000 a night while Carolina draws 16,000!", notwithstanding the fact that any eye test could tell you there haven't been 16,000 people at a Hurricanes game since they won the Cup, if then.

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You said full ballpark of lunatics bathing in the sunshine watching an inferior baseball team or at least that was what you meant. Of course attendance falls off for shitty weather and the like as well as it booms when a really good team is playing on splendid summer days. Pick a side. I am amazed the Sox drew that well those seasons that were mentioned.

Anyway... what's JORRs larger point?
Is it that if the team is bad the fans should not be filling the stadium?
Ok. Maybe I buy that. How does that coincide with jorr saying if you don't go to games you're not really a fan though?
Is jorr saying that the only real fans are fair weather fans?

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He is saying that he is unhappy because the White Sox do not have a plan of action or the management to be a real threat to be a WS contender anytime in the near future. As a long suffering Cub fan I once felt that panic and despair. It vanished last evening as we celebrate the first of hopefully many more titles to come.

Now you're gonna just make shit up. Have another glass of rotgut whiskey, why don't you?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

The larger point is that losing is a part of what made the Cubs the Cubs. To deny that is just disingenuous.

I don't think winning or losing needs to have anything to do with whether the fans attend, but for most teams that's just the way it works.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I agree that losing is a part of what made the Cubs the Cubs but I'd say as far as fans go it's a small part. To the larger audience and the National crowd it's a large part. It's a part I'm glad to be rid of. I have no problem with this being what redefines the team. It's what we've always prayed for. I'm fine with it. If that's what redefines them then I say mission accomplished and I'll enjoy the new team definition.

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Yea, you're right. No one cares about hockey so it's not a huge deal in the U.S.

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Yeah, honestly, fuck Toronto. My favorite Canadian team is Montreal.

I'm kind of hoping for the Browns, personally. Maybe it's because they're so ungodly pathetic, maybe it's because I really hate the Baltimore Ravens.

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Darkside is really arguing that fandom didn't embrace being lovable losers?

#1 Fan Bill Murray himself said as much in the post game locker room interview.

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Some of you seem to be struggling to find a new brand.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

"We're ordinary and we know it" doesn't quite have the same emotional weight as "lovable losers".

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I saw shirts at Dick's that said Lovable Winners. I wanted to light them all on fire. That narrative was never mine. Part of what makes this so special is that the goat/Bartman/black cat/Lovable Losers thing is dead forever. It's gone. That's not just a good thing its a great thing...hell it might be the best thing of all. Let the media pimp a new storyline.

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Are you sure? You guys are like the greyhound that caught the mechanical rabbit. What do you do now?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Right now? I would say get teary eyed at random times for the next day or so.

After that? Get to enjoy watching a good team for the next several seasons.

I can't deny it is a strange feeling though.

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I like the reference JORR. In this case, wait for next year.

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I just wanted to tell you that I do so enjoy your trolling.
Its... effervescent.

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I am very happy for you Dennis and many more like you that I know. Jorr is right on though regardless of what everyone else opines. After, let's say the winter meetings, this will begin to fade slightly and will never be the same. Even another World Series win next year or the year after will not be the same no matter how satisfying. Cubs are now in the trying to build a dynasty mode for better or worse.

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Not so much for my generation. Born in 80. They've been a pretty normal team since then. 8 playoff appearance, 1 pennant and one WS 36 years. Not bad.

To me it was about Day games and Wriglsy

Imo, 84 killed off the loveable losers thing.


Anyway, The Cubs Won The World Series

Man some of these posts are so fucking stupid. The Cubs fans only knew losing seasons...and lost opportunities. Nobody embraced that per se...but EVERY god damn Cubs fan embraced the idea of WINNING....SOMEDAY...and guess what? It FINALLY fucking happened. There is likely not one Cubs fan who feels somehow lost or detached from their losing past. Cubs fans are about HOPE as much as anything else. We look forward to hopefully winning the next one...or hopefully winning more in the future. The Cubs are the only team in MLB that has a chance to REPEAT. A good chance. I certainly don't feel lost or less special or whatever bullshit frustrated Sox fans want to throw at us Cubs fans. We are on top of the mountain now....and we will cheer for our team to stay there!!

#Repeat

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