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Years ago, former Braves general manager Eddie Robinson broke out in a big smile when he was asked to confirm that he once threatened to trade Dusty Baker to Cleveland following the 1974 season after the 25-year-old outfielder expressed his misery over playing in the South without many of his veteran friends who had been dealt.

"Did Dusty tell you that story?" Robinson replied before a spring training game in Scottsdale, Ariz. "Yes, I did tell him that."

Baker caught a break one year after his request when he was dealt to the Los Angeles Dodgers, who went on to win three National League titles and the 1981 World Series during his eight seasons.

The story illustrates that some are lucky to transform their fortunes, but a cautious situation awaits Joe Maddon and veteran catcher Miguel Montero, who wasn't fond of the way the Cubs' manager handled him.

Montero, 33, appearing Friday on ESPN 1000's Waddle and Silvy Show, expressed his disappointment over his lack of playing time, an apparent miscommunication and Maddon's use of closer Aroldis Chapman.

"I think the toughest part for me is they never communicated with me," Montero said on the show. "I'm a veteran guy. They talk about veteran leadership. I have 11 years in the game and two All-Star (appearances).

"I expected to be treated a little better. I was expected to get communication. Just let me know. Put me in the loop. That was the toughest part for me because I never understood what my role was going to be."

Montero's emotions peculated during the course of the season, but this was his first public admission of his frustration. David Ross and Montero mentored Willson Contreras after the excitable rookie was promoted from Triple-A Iowa in mid-July.

At that time, Montero, 33, was batting only .210 and was working on his throwing at Nationals Park a few days before Contreras was promoted.

Thanks to a strong September early October in which he batted .283 with three home runs, Montero provided the Cubs with a strong left-handed bat that was validated when he he a grand slam off Joe Blanton of the Dodgers during Game 1 of the National League Championship Series and an RBI single in the 10th inning of Game 7 of the World Series.

But playing time could come at a premium in 2017 with the ascent and reliance on Contreras, who took over the majority of the duties with the handling of Jake Arrieta in Games 2 and 6, and possibly the return of Kyle Schwarber behind the plate.

Cubs likely will have some patchwork to do, chiefly to shore up pitching
A trade seems very unlikely unless the Cubs are willing to assume a large portion of Montero's $14 million salary in 2017 and his history of lower back issues.

With John Lackey closer to retirement and Jake Arrieta one year away from free agency, 2017 provides a realistic shot for the Cubs to be "all-in" toward another Series title.

At the end of the World Series, Maddon was effusive in his praise of Montero.

Maddon has been used to massaging spats with the likes of Jon Lester, Jason Hammel and Lester over their displeasure with being pulled from starts sooner rather than later.

Montero is well-liked by many of his pitchers, and he could be perceived as a future manager or coach if it wasn't for his disdain of the "organizational advocacy" he witnessed manager Bob Melvin endure during their time with the Arizona Diamondbacks.

As soon as the hoopla over the World Series title wears off (if that's possible), a face-to-face chat between Maddon and Montero (perhaps at Cubs Convention) would go a long way toward clarifying any misconceptions.

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This is what happens after you finally win it all. Egos start getting in the way.

This is where we'll truly see how good of a clubhouse manager Maddon is.

Start by trading Montero.


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Why were the playoffs any different than most of the 2nd half of the year? Montero became a bench guy once Contreras started off so well.

Montero got 2 HUGE hits on the way to a championship.

Enjoy the ride and keep your mouth shut.

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I don't think Montero really cared that much. If they never asked him he would have never made it public.


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Why were the playoffs any different than most of the 2nd half of the year? Montero became a bench guy once Contreras started off so well.

Montero got 2 HUGE hits on the way to a championship.

Enjoy the ride and keep your mouth shut.


Also, communication is 2-way. If you feel that way, go ask. I hate whiny people who can't take initiative.

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Why were the playoffs any different than most of the 2nd half of the year? Montero became a bench guy once Contreras started off so well.

Montero got 2 HUGE hits on the way to a championship.

Enjoy the ride and keep your mouth shut.


Also, communication is 2-way. If you feel that way, go ask. I hate whiny people who can't take initiative.

Maybe he did ask and Maddon said, "enjoy the ride and keep your mouth shut."

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I doubt he is back. His body is done. He was horrible when he was starting. I would go snag Hannigan who I believe is a FA and a Joe guy. He and contreras can handle the ship along with big hoss sprinkled in.

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I would go snag Hannigan who I believe is a FA and a Joe guy.


Wasn't familiar with him. Found this on the Red Sox SB Nation page:

"Hanigan just didn’t hold up in his second season with the Red Sox, dealing with no end of injuries and seeing action in just 35 games while hitting to a sub-.500 OPS. Perhaps his greatest contribution, sad though it might be to say, was being unavailable and thus forcing the Red Sox to turn to Sandy Leon behind the plate."

Sounds like another Montero in the making.


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I would go snag Hannigan who I believe is a FA and a Joe guy.


Wasn't familiar with him. Found this on the Red Sox SB Nation page:

"Hanigan just didn’t hold up in his second season with the Red Sox, dealing with no end of injuries and seeing action in just 35 games while hitting to a sub-.500 OPS. Perhaps his greatest contribution, sad though it might be to say, was being unavailable and thus forcing the Red Sox to turn to Sandy Leon behind the plate."

Sounds like another Montero in the making.

Sub-.500 OPS? White Sox will beat you to this guy, sorry.

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Miguel, Miguel... you can stay in Chicago, enjoy pinch hitting (which you actually don't suck at), playing grab ass with Hank White, and starting once a week. Or you can go get your brains beat in playing for a shitfest like the Twins or the A's.

AJ Ellis is a free agent. He can't hit worth shit, but he is the type of guy who can catch Jon Lester. If Schwarber can also catch once every ten days, you're going to be gone.

Perhaps your agent should have called Brandon Saad for some advice, then told you to STFU.

Enjoy Oakland.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So it begins.....

I know, right? Hard to believe the 2017 Cubs are likely going to be even better after replacing guys like Montero and obtaining more bullpen arms.

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It's funny how fans treat players. This dude was just a part of a team that gave you the best sports moment of your life, expresses some mild disappointment about not being able to play more, and the consensus reaction is to tell him to shut the fuck up and get off the team. :lol:

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It's funny how fans treat players. This dude was just a part of a team that gave you the best sports moment of your life, expresses some mild disappointment about not being able to play more, and the consensus reaction is to tell him to shut the fuck up and get off the team. :lol:


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It's funny how fans treat players. This dude was just a part of a team that gave you the best sports moment of your life, expresses some mild disappointment about not being able to play more, and the consensus reaction is to tell him to shut the fuck up and get off the team. :lol:

We're Cubs fans. Not Montero fans. Not Starlin fans. Not even Rizzo fans. Cubs fans.

What is most important is the health of the overall organization.

If Montero feels slighted, "thank you for your service and best of luck."

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It's funny how fans treat players. This dude was just a part of a team that gave you the best sports moment of your life, expresses some mild disappointment about not being able to play more, and the consensus reaction is to tell him to shut the fuck up and get off the team. :lol:

We're Cubs fans. Not Montero fans. Not Starlin fans. Not even Rizzo fans. Cubs fans.

What is most important is the health of the overall organization.

If Montero feels slighted, "thank you for your service and best of luck."

I wouldn't have made that comment if the reaction was "thank you for your service and best of luck"

I don't think Montero's comments adversely affected the health of the organization. :lol:

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It's funny how fans treat players. This dude was just a part of a team that gave you the best sports moment of your life, expresses some mild disappointment about not being able to play more, and the consensus reaction is to tell him to shut the fuck up and get off the team. :lol:

We're Cubs fans. Not Montero fans. Not Starlin fans. Not even Rizzo fans. Cubs fans.

What is most important is the health of the overall organization.

If Montero feels slighted, "thank you for your service and best of luck."

I wouldn't have made that comment if the reaction was "thank you for your service and best of luck"

I don't think Montero's comments adversely affected the health of the organization. :lol:


If you want to be real about it, the entire premise of sports is absurd. We don't know any of these players and only serve to enrich their billionaire owners. May as well just own it and view it like a business.

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They are all under control! Shut your whore mouths and bite at the apple.


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I don't think Montero's comments adversely affected the health of the organization. :lol:

Sure it has. Good clubhouse guys are vastly important. To hear the players say it, Heyward single handedly won the Cubs the World Series.

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IMU wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
It's funny how fans treat players. This dude was just a part of a team that gave you the best sports moment of your life, expresses some mild disappointment about not being able to play more, and the consensus reaction is to tell him to shut the fuck up and get off the team. :lol:

We're Cubs fans. Not Montero fans. Not Starlin fans. Not even Rizzo fans. Cubs fans.

What is most important is the health of the overall organization.

If Montero feels slighted, "thank you for your service and best of luck."


Organizations win championships.

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One unique organization per year, in fact.

2016.

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Good for Miggy

Montero had a shit year but Maddon needs a reality check. He's been reading his own press clippings and pulled a lot of dumb shit in the playoffs.

Clear out all the hate. Only makes the Cub stronger next year for the repeat.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So it begins.....

I know, right? Hard to believe the 2017 Cubs are likely going to be even better after replacing guys like Montero and obtaining more bullpen arms.
You willing to bet the Cubs win more games and win the World Series next year?

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Miguel, Miguel... you can stay in Chicago, enjoy pinch hitting (which you actually don't suck at), playing grab ass with Hank White, and starting once a week. Or you can go get your brains beat in playing for a shitfest like the Twins or the A's.

AJ Ellis is a free agent. He can't hit worth shit, but he is the type of guy who can catch Jon Lester. If Schwarber can also catch once every ten days, you're going to be gone.

Perhaps your agent should have called Brandon Saad for some advice, then told you to STFU.

Enjoy Oakland.


Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So it begins.....


Are Cub fans able to really enjoy anything?

WTF... :lol:

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Sox can't not obsess about the Cubs.

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Seacrest, I enjoy waking up everyday knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ blessed us all with a Chicago Cubs championship.

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Sox can't not obsess about the Cubs.

#2016

Imu moved on to 2017.

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Seacrest, I enjoy waking up everyday knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ blessed us all with a Chicago Cubs championship.

Have a blessed day.



God is good.

I'm glad you now know how us Sox fans have felt for 11 years. Just try and enjoy it. Please?

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