Kenny's hands would be all over another fuckup...

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Abreu is highly productive and cheap as well. Frazier is a good player. They just have stunning holes at catcher, center field and second base. Their bullpen fell to shambles as their defense went to shit.

Can't have three automatic outs in the line-up.

Their minor leagues are trending up after the last draft. And any team with 4 good young players with reasonable contracts is not hopeless. More directionless.

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A good centerfielder and a legitimate DH would take them a long way.

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The top 3 of the rotation is fine. It's hard to find a Sale. It's damn near impossible to find a Sale with that contract.

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GO BEARS!!!

Yeah, I'm not sure who that centerfielder is. I'm sure he's not a free agent. Maybe they could swing a deal for Adam Jones or McCutcheon. Or maybe they could look elsewhere and hope that Tilson guy works out. I'm not 100% sold on Anderson as a defender at short.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This is what you tell the Yankees, Astros, Rangers, Red Sox, Nationals...really anyone who picks up the phone. Chris Sale serves the Sox no use anymore, he's the difference between 78 wins and 70 wins on this Sox team. The goal is to sell someone else on the bubble (YANKEES, STEP RIGHT UP) the idea of Chris Sale giving them that extra chunk of wins that makes a ~wildcard team a division favorite.

That's silly. If you get rid of Sale you're gonna kill yourself trying to find another one.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

3 more wasted seasons and he's gone anyways. Hahn and Kenny have failed 3 straight seasons now to build a good offense, a good defense OR a good bullpen. If the Sox had made strides towards just ONE of those things I'd be more keen on keeping Sale, but they haven't.

Maybe they'll be better at blowing it up and starting over.

nope

Cubs fans would think they weren't getting enough in the deal

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The Dodgers would trade them Urias + excellent fielders for Sale.

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Sale would probably veto it as he couldn't be the staff ace there

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Executives split on whether they will trade Sale, but more flames on the Sox are sick of his antics narrative:

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/1798 ... aun-others

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I dont understand trading Sale for a package headlined by another starting pitcher. I mean, if that case you're just praying they get a guy on Sale's level back (highly unlikely) and then stealing some other pieces in an otherwise lateral move. That's your best case, more likely Urias or whoever is all hype or winds up getting injured and you wind up trading Sale for Jose DeLeon and Yasiel Puig.

Don't trade Sale to the Yankees, they don't need to get their hands on every elite player.

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Aside from possibly Gary Sanchez Sale would be the Yankees only elite player.

And as far as the Yankees go, there are two kinds of returns from them I could live with. The first is Gary Sanchez, Torres OR Frazier, one of the many ~100 ranked Yankees prospects plus a reclamation arm or two (the Sox always do well with Yankees castaways). The other is basically a complete gutting of the upper tier of their farm system and a few mid tier pieces of the Sox picking. Either of those deals puts the Sox in a pretty good place going forward.

In an ideal world, being at least a little reasonable, the Sox get Sanchez, Frazier, Sheffield plus a guy. If they are willing to give up on Severino I'd take him in an instant at the back end of that deal but I doubt that would be possible.

My fear is they get that same Gary Sanchez deal except instead of Gary Sanchez it includes Gleyber Torres AND Clint Frazier. This is what I expect from the Sox if they trade Sale.

I am sure they value your opinion highly

GODDAMMIT, SCOOTER!

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Welp, shut 'er down, Scooter just solved message boards.

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Imagine what he could do if he didn't drink so much every day

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I think the Dodgers offer a huge haul for Sale and the Sox accept. De Leon, Buehler,Barnes and Diaz.

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When you look at the last time the Sox got a "haul" for trading a start pitcher the center pieces of that trade did not pan out. Lorenzo Barcelo and Mike Caruso were busts. Foulke had a great career. Howry was good for a few years. The Mariners got Freddy Garcia and Carlos Guillen for Randy Johnson.

Maybe there are recent examples, but I can't recall a time when dealing an player like Sale worked for the team doing it.

Football has the Cowboys trading Walker to the Vikings as the archetype, but I can't recall anything similar to that any other time.

Rebuilding like the Cubs sounds great in theory, but you could end up like the Pirates or some other franchise. Almost 20 years in the abyss with nothing to show except some wild card appearances.

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And that trade didn't include a really elite starter like Sale under control for three years at a ridiculously below market rate. There is no way you can get equal value for Sale without getting incredibly lucky.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Those are midseason trades. The Dodgers might offer something huge, and IF I were the Sox, I would take it.

I would have to have Seager (ZERO chance of that) or Urias (doubtful) to even start talking.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

If I am the Sox, I do not contact anyone. I would not want to trade him. IF the Dodgers contact them, it would have to be a haul. You honestly might not have a comparison of this "trade". He is young, good, and cheap ace.

Not a real good comparison between baseball & football though. The Walker trade was more about draft picks (for cowboys) than it was about players. You cant trade draft picks in baseball. For the record...those cowboys draft picks resulted in Emmitt, Alivin Harper, and Darren Woodson...and some others.

The Sox would likely have to get 5 players in return...2 or 3 major league ready / proven...and high prospects. I'm not sure how many teams would "go there'.

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True, as we've moved out of the steroid era and players now have more normal "primes" of between 24-30, after which most are likely to begin declining, teams are more adamant than ever about hanging onto their own top prospects. But Sale is a unique guy with a controllable years that are drastically below the market rate for an elite starting pitcher.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I wonder how pissed Sale is about his deal in retrospect . I do admire him for not whining about it ala Pippen

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

He did sign and was "rushed" to the majors, so its almost like a double edged sword.