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Agreed, BRick. The initial shock has worn off. Trump will now move towards the center.


Why on Earth would hew do so when the Republicans control the legislative branch and the far right exercises an extraordinary amount of power there?

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We will be "fine" in the sense that domestic life won't change much. I still have fears about foreign policy. I'm trying to be optimistic and feel better than I did last night.

That said, to dismiss other people's worries out of hand seems a bit arrogant to me. There are legitimate fears out there.


What is the basis for this opinion?

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Agreed, BRick. The initial shock has worn off. Trump will now move towards the center.


Why on Earth would hew do so when the Republicans control the legislative branch and the far right exercises an extraordinary amount of power there?


I don't think we can predict anything the guy will do. He has no ideology other than the celebrity of Donald Trump. He is a soulless, empty human being. Completely unpredictable.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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We will be "fine" in the sense that domestic life won't change much. I still have fears about foreign policy. I'm trying to be optimistic and feel better than I did last night.

That said, to dismiss other people's worries out of hand seems a bit arrogant to me. There are legitimate fears out there.


What is the basis for this opinion?


There's not. Just a feeling. He's completely unpredictable. I should have put "I think..." but yeah... you'll get no disagreement from me. Elections have consequences.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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We will be "fine" in the sense that domestic life won't change much. I still have fears about foreign policy. I'm trying to be optimistic and feel better than I did last night.

That said, to dismiss other people's worries out of hand seems a bit arrogant to me. There are legitimate fears out there.


What is the basis for this opinion?


There's not. Just a feeling. He's completely unpredictable. I should have put "I think..." but yeah... you'll get no disagreement from me. Elections have consequences.


You hit it Leash. There is no reason to assume he will be great or as terrible as some think. He really seems to me capable of doing what he needed to do to get elected and he can completely turn it all inside out.

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Agreed. We didn't elect a dictator..


Sure we did. His name was Abraham Lincoln. That didn't turn out so bad.

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Agreed. We didn't elect a dictator. A government of checks and balances. For MANY Americans they're already not in ideal situations and losing out. They took a shot. I disagree with them but I get it.


Are there Checks and Balances for launching a nuclear payload?
Yes.


Not according to the 60 minutes story a few weeks back.

The President gives the order,the General obeys the order.


No, that's not how it works. The President would give the order, and the order would be either confirmed or denied by the Secretary of Defense, the two jointly creating National Command Authority. From there, there are a multitude of other systems in place for someone to refuse to carry out said order (say, in the case of an unprovoked first strike), up to and including those who literally "turn the key".

Despite what is portrayed in movies, I'm 100% confident that everyone in the military despises the mere thought of a nuclear strike, much less a full-on exchange of strategic warheads with other countries.


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pittmike wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
We will be "fine" in the sense that domestic life won't change much. I still have fears about foreign policy. I'm trying to be optimistic and feel better than I did last night.

That said, to dismiss other people's worries out of hand seems a bit arrogant to me. There are legitimate fears out there.


What is the basis for this opinion?


There's not. Just a feeling. He's completely unpredictable. I should have put "I think..." but yeah... you'll get no disagreement from me. Elections have consequences.


You hit it Leash. There is no reason to assume he will be great or as terrible as some think. He really seems to me capable of doing what he needed to do to get elected and he can completely turn it all inside out.


What the hell is that even supposed to mean?

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jimmypasta wrote:
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jimmypasta wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Agreed. We didn't elect a dictator. A government of checks and balances. For MANY Americans they're already not in ideal situations and losing out. They took a shot. I disagree with them but I get it.


Are there Checks and Balances for launching a nuclear payload?
Yes.


Not according to the 60 minutes story a few weeks back.

The President gives the order,the General obeys the order.


No, that's not how it works. The President would give the order, and the order would be either confirmed or denied by the Secretary of Defense, the two jointly creating National Command Authority. From there, there are a multitude of other systems in place for someone to refuse to carry out said order (say, in the case of an unprovoked first strike), up to and including those who literally "turn the key".

Despite what is portrayed in movies, I'm 100% confident that everyone in the military despises the mere thought of a nuclear strike, much less a full-on exchange of strategic warheads with other countries.
I'm betting Obama just issued a directive to disarm the warheads and isn't going to tell Trump about it .

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Don Tiny wrote:
pittmike wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
We will be "fine" in the sense that domestic life won't change much. I still have fears about foreign policy. I'm trying to be optimistic and feel better than I did last night.

That said, to dismiss other people's worries out of hand seems a bit arrogant to me. There are legitimate fears out there.


What is the basis for this opinion?


There's not. Just a feeling. He's completely unpredictable. I should have put "I think..." but yeah... you'll get no disagreement from me. Elections have consequences.


You hit it Leash. There is no reason to assume he will be great or as terrible as some think. He really seems to me capable of doing what he needed to do to get elected and he can completely turn it all inside out.


What the hell is that even supposed to mean?


It means there is no telling what he will do or can do. He can go 180 from everything he said in the campaign. No one knows.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Agreed, BRick. The initial shock has worn off. Trump will now move towards the center.


Why on Earth would hew do so when the Republicans control the legislative branch and the far right exercises an extraordinary amount of power there?


I don't think we can predict anything the guy will do. He has no ideology other than the celebrity of Donald Trump. He is a soulless, empty human being. Completely unpredictable.


Policy is made by people who will occupy the cabinet and leadership positions throughout the bureaucracy. Several published reports indicate he is going to appoint many from the far right to build his administration.

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Nah we'll be fine.

Fine work on being both glib and ignorant.


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Tall Midget wrote:
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Peoria Matt wrote:
Agreed, BRick. The initial shock has worn off. Trump will now move towards the center.


Why on Earth would hew do so when the Republicans control the legislative branch and the far right exercises an extraordinary amount of power there?


I don't think we can predict anything the guy will do. He has no ideology other than the celebrity of Donald Trump. He is a soulless, empty human being. Completely unpredictable.


Policy is made by people who will occupy the cabinet and leadership positions throughout the bureaucracy. Several published reports indicate he is going to appoint many from the far right to build his administration.


Do you believe he will listen to those people?

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Peoria Matt wrote:
Agreed, BRick. The initial shock has worn off. Trump will now move towards the center.


Why on Earth would hew do so when the Republicans control the legislative branch and the far right exercises an extraordinary amount of power there?


I don't think we can predict anything the guy will do. He has no ideology other than the celebrity of Donald Trump. He is a soulless, empty human being. Completely unpredictable.


Policy is made by people who will occupy the cabinet and leadership positions throughout the bureaucracy. Several published reports indicate he is going to appoint many from the far right to build his administration.


Do you believe he will listen to those people?


He doesn't listen to anyone and I doubt that he will start listening now.

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TM is making a lot of sense here. Who Trump puts around him will ultimately dictate how the next four years are going to be.

I think Trump will be forced to listen to his cabinet, because even with a Republican Congress, he is not going to be able to get anything done by himself. Few can.

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TM is making a lot of sense here. Who Trump puts around him will ultimately dictate how the next four years are going to be.

I think Trump will be forced to listen to his cabinet, because even with a Republican Congress, he is not going to be able to get anything done by himself. Few can.


The key here is whether his temperament and decision-making were part of his campaigning "persona" or if he really is that quick to make horrible statements and not listen to his advisers. If it's the latter, this is going to get interesting.

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TM is making a lot of sense here. Who Trump puts around him will ultimately dictate how the next four years are going to be.

I think Trump will be forced to listen to his cabinet, because even with a Republican Congress, he is not going to be able to get anything done by himself. Few can.


TM is saying he's going to put crazy people around him.

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Then that will dictate how the next four years goes.

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We white males will probably be fine, what else is new.


Though it's an exaggeration and I don't want to come off as Julie D, I did think to myself "Wow, how special. A bunch of white guys and a few black guys who have done well for themselves sitting around and telling each other it will all be fine."

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Peoria Matt wrote:
Agreed, BRick. The initial shock has worn off. Trump will now move towards the center.


Why on Earth would hew do so when the Republicans control the legislative branch and the far right exercises an extraordinary amount of power there?


I don't think we can predict anything the guy will do. He has no ideology other than the celebrity of Donald Trump. He is a soulless, empty human being. Completely unpredictable.


Policy is made by people who will occupy the cabinet and leadership positions throughout the bureaucracy. Several published reports indicate he is going to appoint many from the far right to build his administration.


Do you believe he will listen to those people?


He doesn't listen to anyone and I doubt that he will start listening now.


By all accounts, he is lazy, ignorant, and has little interest in directing the government on a daily basis. Consequently, the direction of his administration will be largely determined by Mike Pence, Reince Priebus, and the far-righties whom he appoints to high-level positions within and beyond the cabinet.

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I don't know where you're getting that he is ignorant. Sounds like sour grapes.

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I don't know where you're getting that he is ignorant. Sounds like sour grapes.

Elmhurst Steve vibe :D

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By all accounts, he is lazy, ignorant, and has little interest in directing the government on a daily basis. Consequently, the direction of his administration will be largely determined by Mike Pence, Reince Priebus, and the far-righties whom he appoints to high-level positions within and beyond the cabinet.



Shouldn't he get about a week or so to show this rather than speculate?

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TM is making a lot of sense here. Who Trump puts around him will ultimately dictate how the next four years are going to be.

I think Trump will be forced to listen to his cabinet, because even with a Republican Congress, he is not going to be able to get anything done by himself. Few can.


TM is saying he's going to put crazy people around him.


The same media that said Trump had no chance of winning?

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Nas wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
TM is making a lot of sense here. Who Trump puts around him will ultimately dictate how the next four years are going to be.

I think Trump will be forced to listen to his cabinet, because even with a Republican Congress, he is not going to be able to get anything done by himself. Few can.


TM is saying he's going to put crazy people around him.


The same media that said Trump had no chance of winning?


Glad he was able to overcome $2 billion worth of free publicity and exposure.

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By all accounts, he is lazy, ignorant, and has little interest in directing the government on a daily basis. Consequently, the direction of his administration will be largely determined by Mike Pence, Reince Priebus, and the far-righties whom he appoints to high-level positions within and beyond the cabinet.


That's a good point. While Trump is clearly not a conservative, based on the people he is surrounded by this might be an extremely conservative administration.

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pittmike wrote:
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Agreed. We didn't elect a dictator. A government of checks and balances. For MANY Americans they're already not in ideal situations and losing out. They took a shot. I disagree with them but I get it.


Are there Checks and Balances for launching a nuclear payload?
Yes.


This belief of a nuclear WW3 was one of the more preposterous memes of the cycle.

One of the candidates reportedly asked repeatedly "Why can't we use nukes?"

I see why people were/are concerned


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By all accounts, he is lazy, ignorant, and has little interest in directing the government on a daily basis. Consequently, the direction of his administration will be largely determined by Mike Pence, Reince Priebus, and the far-righties whom he appoints to high-level positions within and beyond the cabinet.


That's a good point. While Trump is clearly not a conservative, based on the people he is surrounded by this might be an extremely conservative administration.

Yes, many have worried about crazy Trumps America while we might be getting traditional conservative America


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I predict that there will be lots of turnover of cabinet positions throughout the next four years with no one serving more than two years

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