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Somehow Trump, "the anti-intellectual," managed to connect with everyday people across America. He was smart enough to capitalize on the issues. Whereas the intellectuals are essentially made up of the left-wing elites who run colleges and universities, who deny the existence of God and generally speaking live their lives in the absence of any standard of objective morality.


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Did Bernstein just say he thinks he's going to get made into someone's lampshade?
C'mon man.

I wasn't listening intently but I thought he was referencing tweets directed his way rather than him waiting around to be placed on top of a lamp from Tiffany's.

That said, he's really not off base when talking about minorities and fruits having concerns about where they stand currently and if that will get worse in the coming months and years. His presentation is a bit maudlin for my tastes, but the points themselves aren't completely out of left field.

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Compassionate Don Tiny is still Don Tiny.


'Fruits' is a whole lot simpler than typing out all the variations on the dick-or-no-dick crowd, never mind that ones that can't decide to sit down or stand up to pee irrespective of their plumbing. You want people to listen to your message? Codify your membership into something easily said ... if you have to take a couple of breaths while saying your club's title, it's time to rethink it ... 'The Los Angeles Angele of Anaheim' is the maximum length any name ever needs to be.

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Even the liberal Snopes offers a tortured "denial" of her connections to the Muslim Brotherhood. I think there are questions when she edited a journal that people feel a need to defend with rhetoric like "I wouldn't call it radical".


That's pretty weak evidence. And she isn't president of the United States. So, I would say that he would be correct to fear Trump more. Let's not sit here and act like Donald Trump hasn't said 100 different, reckless things that are the reason people say this stuff. Is it over the top? Yes. Does it have no merit whatsoever? No, it doesn't. He's an unhinged lunatic with no education of or regard for our Constitution.


Didn't he graduate from Wharton? I don't know what that's worth, but it's pretty silly to call him uneducated. You can point out instances of all kinds of politicians including recent presidents stomping all over the Constitution. It rings a little hollow when the focus is on Trump who hasn't even taken office yet.

With regard to Abedin (and so many other matters of a political nature), you can shop the Internet for your information. The truth is, we don't know, but there are definitely some things that should be of more concern to Jews re: her and Hillary than there is with Trump. The idea that Trump is "coming for Jews" is absolutely baseless.


You think Donald Trump has a good understanding of the Constitution and American values based on his Wharton education? All you have to do is listen to him speak. You and many others seem to rely on some innate knowledge that this guy isn't really as crazy as he comes off. I operate under no such assumption. I take him at his word. Everything he says, tweets, implies, or embodies is ignorant, repugnant, and anti-intellectual. His words mattered before, and they matter even more now. Comparing an assistant to Hillary Clinton to the next president of the U.S. is nonsense. He has more power than any person in the world. It amazes me how his lack of integrity doesn't bother some. And if someone is going to come back and say it's just an act, I'd like to see some sort of proof. My guess is that that's being said more out of a hatred for Hillary Clinton than anything else.


I don't think Trump is going to be able to subvert the Constitution in such obvious ways as his crazy talk suggests. I think it's much more dangerous to have a president who is subtly pushing at the margins the way Bush II and Obama did.

You said in another thread that Trump's Chief of Staff was of vital importance. Abedin clearly would have been on a short list for a potential Clinton Chief of Staff. I think an examination of her possible ties to foreign terror would certainly have been appropriate.

And it's amazing that someone could talk about a lack of integrity in someone else as a defense of Hillary Clinton. If integrity is the test, I'm pretty certain Clinton doesn't take that one vs. Trump.


Trump will have a number of insiders on his team who would be more than knowledgeable enough to help him "subtly push the margins". It would simply be a matter of what Trump wanted to push at.

And your hypothetical absolutely would make it important to vet Huma, but Clinton's not going to be president... and I think a vetting of the president is more important than someone who would be a close adviser (though both are obviously important). The argument at the beginning of this thread is whether the unhinged soon-to-be president of the U.S. or a now unemployed former aid to a presidential candidate was a bigger possible threat to Jews. I don't really think it's an argument that it's the former.

Lastly, I didn't mention Hillary Clinton. I have voiced my displeasure for HRC since last year. I don't understand why the rebuttal is always about her. Though, I will agree with Nas... you're still my guy even though you're a Trump supporter. :wink:


Uh, you know Abedin a) was married to a Jewish guy, who (when he was not sexting) voted against selling arms to the Saudis, took a hard line against the Palestinians, claimed the NYT was biased against Israel and is an Islanders fan and b) even had Republicans say the whole Muslim Brotherhood connection thing was BS.

As for Trump, there is an argument to be made that he is a bigger threat, existentially, to Israel. The argument, coarsely outlined, is that Israel needs to come to grips and cut a deal that leads to a 2 state solution to secure Israel's continued viability. Instead, Bibi, and his band of hardliners, ignoring the reality of demographic trends, are adamant that it not happen, thus, dooming Israel's future existence. Sheldon Adelson, one of Trumps major donors, is a Bibi fan. As Trump is not going to buck Adelson, Israel will continue careening on its self-destructive path and inevitably swallowed whole.


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Uh, you know Abedin a) was married to a Jewish guy, who (when he was not sexting) voted against selling arms to the Saudis, took a hard line against the Palestinians, claimed the NYT was biased against Israel and is an Islanders fan and b) even had Republicans say the whole Muslim Brotherhood connection thing was BS.


Taqiyya and muruna are real concepts. But if she married an Islanders fan, she must be okay!

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Uh, you know Abedin a) was married to a Jewish guy, who (when he was not sexting) voted against selling arms to the Saudis, took a hard line against the Palestinians, claimed the NYT was biased against Israel and is an Islanders fan and b) even had Republicans say the whole Muslim Brotherhood connection thing was BS.


Taqiyya and muruna are real concepts. But if she married an Islanders fan, she must be okay!

Just stop. It's embarrassing.

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Uh, you know Abedin a) was married to a Jewish guy, who (when he was not sexting) voted against selling arms to the Saudis, took a hard line against the Palestinians, claimed the NYT was biased against Israel and is an Islanders fan and b) even had Republicans say the whole Muslim Brotherhood connection thing was BS.


Taqiyya and muruna are real concepts. But if she married an Islanders fan, she must be okay!

Just stop. It's embarrassing.


What's embarrassing is your naivete.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Uh, you know Abedin a) was married to a Jewish guy, who (when he was not sexting) voted against selling arms to the Saudis, took a hard line against the Palestinians, claimed the NYT was biased against Israel and is an Islanders fan and b) even had Republicans say the whole Muslim Brotherhood connection thing was BS.


Taqiyya and muruna are real concepts. But if she married an Islanders fan, she must be okay!

Just stop. It's embarrassing.


What's embarrassing is your naivete.

I challenged you to post one (1) credible link showing Huma's ties to terrorism. You were unable to do so, and are still pushing a bullshit, debunked, right wing narrative. My naïveté has nothing to do with you looking just silly here. This isn't an argument you can win.

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Uh, you know Abedin a) was married to a Jewish guy, who (when he was not sexting) voted against selling arms to the Saudis, took a hard line against the Palestinians, claimed the NYT was biased against Israel and is an Islanders fan and b) even had Republicans say the whole Muslim Brotherhood connection thing was BS.


Taqiyya and muruna are real concepts. But if she married an Islanders fan, she must be okay!

Just stop. It's embarrassing.


What's embarrassing is your naivete.

I challenged you to post one (1) credible link showing Huma's ties to terrorism. You were unable to do so, and are still pushing a bullshit, debunked, right wing narrative. My naïveté has nothing to do with you looking just silly here. This isn't an argument you can win.


Look, I'm not gonna get into this where I'm posting links to Breitbart and you're coming back with links to HuffPo.

Taqiyya and muruna are real Arabic words with real definitions. Does somebody practice these concepts? If so, in what circumstances?

Do you know practicing Judaism is illegal in Saudi Arabia? But here's a woman who is from a strict Saudi Muslim family, yet she married a Jew and she has not been ostracized from that family. You don't find that the slightest bit odd? There are young women from similar families who have been stoned to death for less.

The only thing I'm saying is that a Hillary Clinton White House would almost certainly be less friendly to Jews than a Trump administration. And I think there would be some serious questions to be asked regarding Abedin if Clinton had won and Abedin was going to be in a position of power in a Clinton administration.

If FDR had wanted to hire the son of a frequent dinner guest of Adolph Eichmann to be his Chief of Staff in 1943, do you think it would be unreasonable or bigoted to question that?

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Also, Vanity Fair isn't exactly known as a right-wing magazine with an anti-Clinton agenda.

Here's the Abedin article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/ ... on-adviser

Of course the piece infuriated Clinton and she rallied her friendly media army to "de-bunk" the facts as printed.

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Also, Vanity Fair isn't exactly known as a right-wing magazine with an anti-Clinton agenda.

Here's the Abedin article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/ ... on-adviser

Of course the piece infuriated Clinton and she rallied her friendly media army to "de-bunk" the facts as printed.

It's impossible to debunk facts.

And your Eichmann comment is absurd and quite clearly a terrible analogy.

So an admittedly debunked Vanity Fair article is the only thing you got? Good talk.

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Also, Vanity Fair isn't exactly known as a right-wing magazine with an anti-Clinton agenda.

Here's the Abedin article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/ ... on-adviser

Of course the piece infuriated Clinton and she rallied her friendly media army to "de-bunk" the facts as printed.

It's impossible to debunk facts.

And your Eichmann comment is absurd and quite clearly a terrible analogy.

So an admittedly debunked Vanity Fair article is the only thing you got? Good talk.


You only think it's a terrible analogy because you refuse to accept that we are at war.

And you're right, you can't debunk facts. There was a reason I used quotation marks around "debunk".

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Did I miss something in the article? Can you point me to where she did something to draw comparisons to the architect of Hitler's Final Solution? Was it the unpaid maternity leave?

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Also, Vanity Fair isn't exactly known as a right-wing magazine with an anti-Clinton agenda.

Here's the Abedin article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/ ... on-adviser

Of course the piece infuriated Clinton and she rallied her friendly media army to "de-bunk" the facts as printed.

It's impossible to debunk facts.

And your Eichmann comment is absurd and quite clearly a terrible analogy.

So an admittedly debunked Vanity Fair article is the only thing you got? Good talk.


You only think it's a terrible analogy because you refuse to accept that we are at war.

And you're right, you can't debunk facts. There was a reason I used quotation marks around "debunk".

We are at war with terrorists, not Muslims. If you think we are at war with Muslims then you should approve of Trump's plan to ban them and you should go one step further and advocate that all of them leave this country. I don't see you doing that.

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We are at war with terrorists, not Muslims.


What kind of terrorists?

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We are at war with terrorists, not Muslims.


What kind of terrorists?

Muslim terrorists. Please respond to the rest my post if you're gonna try this dumbass "gotcha".

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Did I miss something in the article? Can you point me to where she did something to draw comparisons to the architect of Hitler's Final Solution? Was it the unpaid maternity leave?


Obviously, you know that wasn't the comparison.

But I think this paragraph alone is reason for concern at a minimum:

Abedin was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Her mother, Saleha Mahmood Abedin, is Pakistani; her late father, Syed Zainul Abedin, was Indian. Both were intellectuals. When Abedin was two years old, the family moved to Jidda, Saudi Arabia, where, with the backing of Abdullah Omar Nasseef, then the president of King Abdulaziz University, her father founded the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs, a think tank, and became the first editor of its Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs, which stated its mission as “shedding light” on minority Muslim communities around the world in the hope of “securing the legitimate rights of these communities.”

After Syed died, in 1993, his wife succeeded him as director of the institute and editor of the Journal, positions she still holds. She has also been active in the International Islamic Council for Da’wa and Relief, which is now headed by Nasseef and was banned in Israel on account of its ties to the Union of Good, a pro-Hamas fund-raising network, run by Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

Google Abdullah Omar Nasseef, the man who set up the Abedins in Jidda, and a host of right-wing screeds pop up. Though he is a high-ranking insider in the Saudi government and sits on the king’s Shura Council, there are claims that Nasseef once had ties to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda—a charge that he has denied through a spokesman—and that he remains a “major” figure in the Muslim Brotherhood. In his early years as the patron of the Abedins’ journal, Nasseef was the secretary-general of the Muslim World League, which Andrew McCarthy, the former assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted the “Blind Sheik,” Omar Abdel Rahman, in the wake of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, claims “has long been the Muslim Brotherhood’s principal vehicle for the international propagation of Islamic supremacist ideology.”

Google Yusuf al-Qaradawi and you’ll find even more right-wing hysteria. Says McCarthy, who has conducted something of a personal crusade on the question of the Abedin family’s purported connections, “The Union of Good is a designated terrorist organization and Qaradawi is the leading global jurisprudent”—a term McCarthy prefers to “cleric”—“of the Muslim Brotherhood, who has issued fatwas calling for suicide bombings in the Palestinian territories and in Israel and has called for the killings of American soldiers in Iraq.”

It turns out the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs is an Abedin family business. Huma was an assistant editor there between 1996 and 2008. Her brother, Hassan, 45, is a book-review editor at the Journal and was a fellow at the Oxford Center for Islamic Studies, where Nasseef is chairman of the board of trustees. Huma’s sister, Heba, 26, is an assistant editor at the Journal.

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We are at war with terrorists, not Muslims.


What kind of terrorists?

Muslim terrorists. Please respond to the rest my post if you're gonna try this dumbass "gotcha".



But that's the kind of dancing around that is nothing more than a willful and "politically correct" (and I don't care for and rarely use that term) refusal to acknowledge what is really happening.

Of course I don't want all Muslims to "leave the country". But we also have to recognize that there is an issue. This isn't some harmless belief system where we just pray five times a day and leave everyone else alone. It's a political ideology that is at odds with most of the values I have seen you express in this forum. I don't know what the answer is except for Muslims to reform their religion themselves.

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We are at war with terrorists, not Muslims.


What kind of terrorists?

Muslim terrorists. Please respond to the rest my post if you're gonna try this dumbass "gotcha".



But that's the kind of dancing around that is nothing more than a willful and "politically correct" (and I don't care for and rarely use that term) refusal to acknowledge what is really happening.

Of course I don't want all Muslims to "leave the country". But we also have to recognize that there is an issue. This isn't some harmless belief system where we just pray five times a day and leave everyone else alone. It's a political ideology that is at odds with most of the values I have seen you express in this forum. I don't know what the answer is except for Muslims to reform their religion themselves.

You're the one dancing here, not me. On the one hand, you're trying to imply we are at war with Islam. On the other hand, you won't come out and say that you want every Muslim to leave the country. Which one is it? If I believed we were at war with Muslims, I sure as fuck would want every last one of them out of the country. But we're not, and you and I both know that.

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So in that context are you ok with the internment of Japanese Americans in WW2? Not being condescending or trying to play gotcha. I'm just asking

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[quote="FavreFan]"If I believed we were at war with Muslims, I sure as fuck would want every last one of them out of the country. But we're not, and you and I both know that.[/quote]


So in that context are you ok with the internment of Japanese Americans in WW2? Not being condescending or trying to play gotcha. I'm just asking[/quote]

It's a fair question, but we also had Japanese-Americans fighting for our side in WW2. Presumably, in a hypothetical war with all Muslims, none would be fighting on our side. I served with Muslims and talked to Afghani 'terps and I'm sure you have too while you were serving.

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[quote="FavreFan]"If I believed we were at war with Muslims, I sure as fuck would want every last one of them out of the country. But we're not, and you and I both know that.[/quote]


So in that context are you ok with the internment of Japanese Americans in WW2? Not being condescending or trying to play gotcha. I'm just asking[/quote][/quote]
It's a fair question, but we also had Japanese-Americans fighting for our side in WW2. Presumably, in a hypothetical war with all Muslims, none would be fighting on our side. I served with Muslims and talked to Afghani 'terps and I'm sure you have too while you were serving.[/quote]


You are spot on about terps. I think they bought in bc of the idea we were cooperatively working towards a nation state. Both interpreters in Iraq and Afghanistan had high levels of love for their country. They didn't see what we were doing as war on a religious footing.


I hadn't thought of it from their perspective. Thanks

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We are at war with terrorists, not Muslims.


What kind of terrorists?

Muslim terrorists. Please respond to the rest my post if you're gonna try this dumbass "gotcha".



But that's the kind of dancing around that is nothing more than a willful and "politically correct" (and I don't care for and rarely use that term) refusal to acknowledge what is really happening.

Of course I don't want all Muslims to "leave the country". But we also have to recognize that there is an issue. This isn't some harmless belief system where we just pray five times a day and leave everyone else alone. It's a political ideology that is at odds with most of the values I have seen you express in this forum. I don't know what the answer is except for Muslims to reform their religion themselves.

You're the one dancing here, not me. On the one hand, you're trying to imply we are at war with Islam. On the other hand, you won't come out and say that you want every Muslim to leave the country. Which one is it? If I believed we were at war with Muslims, I sure as fuck would want every last one of them out of the country. But we're not, and you and I both know that.


I'm not implying it. I'm flat out saying it.

There isn't a majority Muslim country on earth where you and I wouldn't be second class citizens as non-believers. Muslims in the U.S. aren't in a position of power so it's not something we have to be concerned about, but that doesn't mean that there aren't some core beliefs that are held by all Muslims.

These are bad beliefs. It doesn't make people who hold them bad people. People are people. They're taught certain things as indisputable truths. I was taught a religion loaded with bad ideas myself. The difference being that that religion has had hundreds of years of progress, science, and Western secularism to buff down some of the roughest edges. Islam is operating in a Seventh Century paradigm.

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[quote="FavreFan]"If I believed we were at war with Muslims, I sure as fuck would want every last one of them out of the country. But we're not, and you and I both know that.[/quote]


So in that context are you ok with the internment of Japanese Americans in WW2? Not being condescending or trying to play gotcha. I'm just asking[/quote][/quote]
It's a fair question, but we also had Japanese-Americans fighting for our side in WW2. Presumably, in a hypothetical war with all Muslims, none would be fighting on our side. I served with Muslims and talked to Afghani 'terps and I'm sure you have too while you were serving.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

You are spot on about terps. I think they bought in bc of the idea we were cooperatively working towards a nation state. Both interpreters in Iraq and Afghanistan had high levels of love for their country. They didn't see what we were doing as war on a religious footing.


I hadn't thought of it from their perspective. Thanks[/quote]


That's all it took? A little reacharound from FavreFan? FUckin' Millenials...

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Your only mistake is that you referred to them as two separate people.

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Uh, you know Abedin a) was married to a Jewish guy, who (when he was not sexting) voted against selling arms to the Saudis, took a hard line against the Palestinians, claimed the NYT was biased against Israel and is an Islanders fan and b) even had Republicans say the whole Muslim Brotherhood connection thing was BS.


Taqiyya and muruna are real concepts. But if she married an Islanders fan, she must be okay!

Just stop. It's embarrassing.


What's embarrassing is your naivete.

I challenged you to post one (1) credible link showing Huma's ties to terrorism. You were unable to do so, and are still pushing a bullshit, debunked, right wing narrative. My naïveté has nothing to do with you looking just silly here. This isn't an argument you can win.

Looks to me like somebody's been dipping his wick in some nice tahini sauce-laden shawarma lately.

. . . Just the vibe I'm gettin' here, but I bet I'm right.

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