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The polls got it wrong.

That's a good one, MSM. Trump couldn't possibly have won on his own merit, nor could you have been at fault at all.

Only that it was obvious that you (MSNBC above all) waited until the last minute to declare Trump the victor in the big swing states.

A sham you are for any truthful and credible reporting. Drudgereport has left you dead and buried.

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I am not sure this is the place but after the last two elections the media does need to examine itself and what it does. The 'cooperation" between the Dems and CNN is just one example of the problems. I have no idea how you do it but they really need to erase the blur between opinion and reporting as well as become tougher in a truly independent way in general.

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I am not sure this is the place but after the last two elections the media does need to examine itself and what it does. The 'cooperation" between the Dems and CNN is just one example of the problems. I have no idea how you do it but they really need to erase the blur between opinion and reporting as well as become tougher in a truly independent way in general.

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I am not sure this is the place but after the last two elections the media does need to examine itself and what it does. The 'cooperation" between the Dems and CNN is just one example of the problems. I have no idea how you do it but they really need to erase the blur between opinion and reporting as well as become tougher in a truly independent way in general.

what?

:lol: :lol:

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to many, he was the lesser of two evils.

I'm FINALLY starting to hear people admit she was a "weak" candidate. Also heard a few African American political pundits saying she did zero to reach out for their vote.

As I said before, you take a voting group for granted as long as they have and this is what happens.

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Trump people had the same polls as everyone else. This was a surprise to them too. The MSM isn't responsible for getting it wrong.

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Did you read Wikileaks?

Well, you should have.

The “conspiracies” were true, and the mainstream media lied to you to about everything.

Wikileaks was not Russian propaganda, it was the news.
Wikileaks has a 10-year record of never releasing a single falsified document, and is not connected to Russia. Everything they released were the actual e-mails of Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff. You had the opportunity to look through a window into the Hillary Clinton campaign, but you didn’t.

By ignoring the leaks, you ignored reality.

By not listening to your fellow Americans, and accusing them of being “conspiracy theorists” and trusting the corporate media, you ignored reality. By only following other liberals on social media, and only reading liberal or corporate news, once again ignoring reality. When Hillary Clinton was caught rigging the primary against Bernie Sanders, and Democrats nominated her anyway they ignored reality.

Everyone was simply insulating themselves within their own echo chamber ignoring anything outside their bubble.

The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING

If you’ve been following my Twitter or Facebook account during this 2016 election you probably would have thought I was a Trump supporter. However, I am a former registered Democrat, a Bernie supporter, and consider myself a progressive libertarian. This was the first election I ended up voting 3rd party, but my second choice was Trump. I simply could not vote for Hillary Clinton because of her mishandling of classified information, and stealing the nomination from the people’s choice Bernie Sanders.
Hillary never should have been nominated in the first place. The first clue was when she was under FBI investigation, and the second clue was when she rigged the primary elections.

In an attempt to inform my friends, family, and followers I posted dozens if not hundreds of Wikileaks e-mails, and tweeted alt-right news just as much as I did liberal news. I did this because most of my followers are liberals, and I realized they were all living in an echo chamber on social media where they were not being exposed to differing opinions or news. I was mostly rejected by liberals for doing this, they didn’t understand why I was sharing things that made them uncomfortable, but now they know why. Ironically, I got far more support from Trump supporters for trying to tell Democrats the truth. I wasn’t expecting that.

I took it upon myself to understand Trump, and his supporters. What I found was millions of great Americans who had been disenfranchised, normal people like you and I, who did not recover from the Great Recession. They’re pissed off about Obama Care, endless wars, trade deals that have killed jobs, higher taxes, a rigged economy–and, they are not wrong.

Had Democrats taken the concerns of average American seriously, especially the concerns of Millennials, they would have quickly realized Hillary Clinton was not the right nominee for the Democratic party in 2016.

Bernie Sanders Would Have Beat Trump

I 100% believe Bernie Sanders could have created a political revolution to beat Trump, but instead we’re getting Trump’s revolution.

The reason Hillary Clinton did not win this election is because she never should have been nominated in the first place. There was a better choice.

Democrats let Hillary hijack the DNC, and use her corporate money to push everyone around. Meanwhile, she used Correct The Record to poison the minds of people online into isolating themselves with paid Hillary trolls. Had Democrats paid attention to the leaks they would have seen the mountain of evidence that told the world that Hillary rigged the primaries against Bernie Sanders, and was illegally coordinating with Super PACs like CTR. She should have been disqualified. The evidence is on Wikileaks.org.

Meanwhile, the media, and social media kept everyone ignorant and isolated from differing opinions. They lied to us, manipulated us, and made us think the rest of the country agreed with us, when they didn’t. They used their position of authority to mislead us into believing in a false reality—in propaganda.

This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart.

Getting the news from just your friends is a logical fallacy, you need to know your enemies, and realize they’re not much different from yourself.

There Is Good News

While you weren’t paying attention, Trump is actually a former Democrat. If you study his actual values he has far more in common with traditional moderate or liberal values than he does a traditional conservative. In fact, Trump may even be more liberal than Hillary Clinton on several issues.

The media prevented any kind of discussion on values, and instead focused on rhetoric and propaganda. So most Americans who immediately defaulted to what the media and Clinton campaign told them never took the time to actually get to know Donald Trump. They just watched the jokes on SNL, and corporate media blindly without considering other sources. While I’m still unsure about Trump myself, we at least know politically he’s actually a New York Democrat in Republican clothing (this is why the Republican establishment rejected him)

You also need to consider Donald Trump just overthrew a group of political elites who have been ruling this country for decades. He just beat the political establishment singlehandedly. No matter what you think about him personally, he just accomplished something historic to become our President.

At the end of the day, this is an opportunity to learn and grow and consider another world view. This is a wakeup call to get out of safe spaces, politically correct thinking, shatter echo chambers, and challenge yourself to consider the other side of the fence. This is an opportunity to reach out and truly learn to understand each other.

We all have to come together to solve any real problems with our country in the next 4-years. This election was a lesson to consider all ideas equally, regardless of established authority.

We need to come together and move forward together.


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will be interesting to see if trump stays true to himself, or if he plays party politics now

everyone knows hes truly more democratic than republican. but his vp and staff are red blooded as hell... so, what will trump do? do what he wants? or obey his staff? how long before his staff turns on him, or if he stays loyal to them how long before the people turn on him?

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I am not sure this is the place but after the last two elections the media does need to examine itself and what it does. The 'cooperation" between the Dems and CNN is just one example of the problems. I have no idea how you do it but they really need to erase the blur between opinion and reporting as well as become tougher in a truly independent way in general.
Trump benefited from the exposure (almost obsession) that the MSM gave him throughout the campaign. He didn't need to spend big bucks on advertising. They replayed highlights from every speech or media session he had. He called in to shows like Morning Joe on a regular basis and they kissed his butt. He certainly had detractors but overall he came out ahead IMO.

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Mainstream media. It took me 4 seconds to type that on an I phone.


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He got 270+ electoral votes.

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the same reason Obama won. People are sick of old establishment politicians. The less experience the better. Our next winner will be some random 35 yr old dude they pluck out of a mall in Ohio.

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the same reason Obama won. People are sick of old establishment politicians. The less experience the better. Our next winner will be some random 35 yr old dude they pluck out of a mall in Ohio.


Like Maurice Clarett

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What? What the fuck does that mean? Trump won because the polls got it wrong? I think you might be transposing your cause and effect.

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Kirkwood wrote:
pittmike wrote:
I am not sure this is the place but after the last two elections the media does need to examine itself and what it does. The 'cooperation" between the Dems and CNN is just one example of the problems. I have no idea how you do it but they really need to erase the blur between opinion and reporting as well as become tougher in a truly independent way in general.

what?

:lol: :lol:


Mike's had a rough day. He is still in shock that his guy won.

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Chus wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
pittmike wrote:
I am not sure this is the place but after the last two elections the media does need to examine itself and what it does. The 'cooperation" between the Dems and CNN is just one example of the problems. I have no idea how you do it but they really need to erase the blur between opinion and reporting as well as become tougher in a truly independent way in general.

what?

:lol: :lol:


Mike's had a rough day. He is still in shock that his guy won.


Well you know I did not vote for him. You also know though that i am beyond ecstatic her royal highness is out.

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https://medium.com/@trentlapinski/dear-democrats-read-this-if-you-do-not-understand-why-trump-won-5a0cdb13c597#.ccxwqf25q

Did you read Wikileaks?

Well, you should have.

The “conspiracies” were true, and the mainstream media lied to you to about everything.

Wikileaks was not Russian propaganda, it was the news.
Wikileaks has a 10-year record of never releasing a single falsified document, and is not connected to Russia. Everything they released were the actual e-mails of Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff. You had the opportunity to look through a window into the Hillary Clinton campaign, but you didn’t.

By ignoring the leaks, you ignored reality.

By not listening to your fellow Americans, and accusing them of being “conspiracy theorists” and trusting the corporate media, you ignored reality. By only following other liberals on social media, and only reading liberal or corporate news, once again ignoring reality. When Hillary Clinton was caught rigging the primary against Bernie Sanders, and Democrats nominated her anyway they ignored reality.

Everyone was simply insulating themselves within their own echo chamber ignoring anything outside their bubble.

The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING

If you’ve been following my Twitter or Facebook account during this 2016 election you probably would have thought I was a Trump supporter. However, I am a former registered Democrat, a Bernie supporter, and consider myself a progressive libertarian. This was the first election I ended up voting 3rd party, but my second choice was Trump. I simply could not vote for Hillary Clinton because of her mishandling of classified information, and stealing the nomination from the people’s choice Bernie Sanders.
Hillary never should have been nominated in the first place. The first clue was when she was under FBI investigation, and the second clue was when she rigged the primary elections.

In an attempt to inform my friends, family, and followers I posted dozens if not hundreds of Wikileaks e-mails, and tweeted alt-right news just as much as I did liberal news. I did this because most of my followers are liberals, and I realized they were all living in an echo chamber on social media where they were not being exposed to differing opinions or news. I was mostly rejected by liberals for doing this, they didn’t understand why I was sharing things that made them uncomfortable, but now they know why. Ironically, I got far more support from Trump supporters for trying to tell Democrats the truth. I wasn’t expecting that.

I took it upon myself to understand Trump, and his supporters. What I found was millions of great Americans who had been disenfranchised, normal people like you and I, who did not recover from the Great Recession. They’re pissed off about Obama Care, endless wars, trade deals that have killed jobs, higher taxes, a rigged economy–and, they are not wrong.

Had Democrats taken the concerns of average American seriously, especially the concerns of Millennials, they would have quickly realized Hillary Clinton was not the right nominee for the Democratic party in 2016.

Bernie Sanders Would Have Beat Trump

I 100% believe Bernie Sanders could have created a political revolution to beat Trump, but instead we’re getting Trump’s revolution.

The reason Hillary Clinton did not win this election is because she never should have been nominated in the first place. There was a better choice.

Democrats let Hillary hijack the DNC, and use her corporate money to push everyone around. Meanwhile, she used Correct The Record to poison the minds of people online into isolating themselves with paid Hillary trolls. Had Democrats paid attention to the leaks they would have seen the mountain of evidence that told the world that Hillary rigged the primaries against Bernie Sanders, and was illegally coordinating with Super PACs like CTR. She should have been disqualified. The evidence is on Wikileaks.org.

Meanwhile, the media, and social media kept everyone ignorant and isolated from differing opinions. They lied to us, manipulated us, and made us think the rest of the country agreed with us, when they didn’t. They used their position of authority to mislead us into believing in a false reality—in propaganda.

This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart.

Getting the news from just your friends is a logical fallacy, you need to know your enemies, and realize they’re not much different from yourself.

There Is Good News

While you weren’t paying attention, Trump is actually a former Democrat. If you study his actual values he has far more in common with traditional moderate or liberal values than he does a traditional conservative. In fact, Trump may even be more liberal than Hillary Clinton on several issues.

The media prevented any kind of discussion on values, and instead focused on rhetoric and propaganda. So most Americans who immediately defaulted to what the media and Clinton campaign told them never took the time to actually get to know Donald Trump. They just watched the jokes on SNL, and corporate media blindly without considering other sources. While I’m still unsure about Trump myself, we at least know politically he’s actually a New York Democrat in Republican clothing (this is why the Republican establishment rejected him)

You also need to consider Donald Trump just overthrew a group of political elites who have been ruling this country for decades. He just beat the political establishment singlehandedly. No matter what you think about him personally, he just accomplished something historic to become our President.

At the end of the day, this is an opportunity to learn and grow and consider another world view. This is a wakeup call to get out of safe spaces, politically correct thinking, shatter echo chambers, and challenge yourself to consider the other side of the fence. This is an opportunity to reach out and truly learn to understand each other.

We all have to come together to solve any real problems with our country in the next 4-years. This election was a lesson to consider all ideas equally, regardless of established authority.

We need to come together and move forward together.

Never listen to the media. Ever. Or social media. Worst indicator of how the general population views any factor of reality.


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Trump won because...

...Nobody likes Hillary!

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Trump won because...

...Nobody likes Hillary!


It seems some have a hard time grasping this simple point.

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Trump won because...

...Nobody likes Hillary!

Yeah that's pretty much it.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
It's not surprising that we would have a black President before a female one. Never underestimate the power of male privilege.


No doubt. Even 40% of Hispanic men voted for Trump.

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pittmike wrote:
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Trump won because...

...Nobody likes Hillary!


It seems some have a hard time grasping this simple point.



Yet he routinely insults everyone and that somehow endears him to millions.

At its core this was a vote for Trump. He easily dispatched of 16 other guys before he ever saw her. They wanted this guy. Now we have him. We will see.

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Trump won because...

...Nobody likes Hillary!


It seems some have a hard time grasping this simple point.

I understand not liking Hillary. I don't understand how anyone could conclude that Trump is more "likeable". Racist, misogynist, clueless, lying buffoon. Yet we'll overlook that because Hillary is "crooked". That's the simple point you don't grasp.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
It's not surprising that we would have a black President before a female one. Never underestimate the power of male privilege.

FFS :roll:
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Trump won because...

...Nobody likes Hillary!

THIS.

This guy is correct on Hillary, correct on the media, but gave Bernie just a little too much credit.

I agree with Nas on Bernie being a fraud. Bernie proved to be a Democratic party loyalist...he's not a socialist...he's not an independent. Had he been either of these, he would have kept gonig after losing to Hillary and the DEM machine.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Trump won because...

...Nobody likes Hillary!


It seems some have a hard time grasping this simple point.

I understand not liking Hillary. I don't understand how anyone could conclude that Trump is more "likeable". Racist, misogynist, clueless, lying buffoon. Yet we'll overlook that because Hillary is "crooked". That's the simple point you don't grasp.



Trump easily Trumps her even when it comes to the "crooked" quotient. He is essentially "litigation Lenny" when it comes to the judicial system. But oh those Emails those Emails.

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I am not sure this is the place but after the last two elections the media does need to examine itself and what it does. The 'cooperation" between the Dems and CNN is just one example of the problems. I have no idea how you do it but they really need to erase the blur between opinion and reporting as well as become tougher in a truly independent way in general.

what?

:lol: :lol:


Mike's had a rough day. He is still in shock that his guy won.


Well you know I did not vote for him. You also know though that i am beyond ecstatic her royal highness is out.

Doesn't matter. If you were against Hilldog you are a Trump guy. :roll:

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