Lol Nas. Hillary lost because the electorate wanted to vote for a platform like Sanders'. It's tragic that such concerns led them to Trump, but not surprising given Clinton's baggage. She has some tough questions to ask of her past.

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That's a gross mischaracterization of Bernie's message, but it is actually reflective of the defensive, uninspiring campaign strategy concocted by the hapless Clinton campaign team. Even her staffers thought her message sucked.

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I don't blame voting for a 3rd party candidate and I don't think they changed the election.

I do blame people who had, or now perceive themselves to have, the biggest stake in the outcome, protesting after sitting out.

You made your protest by not voting. You knew the consequences of your actions.

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I didn't see them at the various Trump Towers throughout the nation last night.

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There were a lot of "Never Trump" in the Republican party. They all seemed to understand the consequences of their actions when election day came around.

Don't cry to me about people being deported or immigrants not being allowed in when it was entirely in your control to prevent it (I don't mean you, obviously). Sitting on the sidelines was a vote for Trump.

Rational people can disagree. Rational people also understand that it is better to be at the bottom looking up than the outside looking in.

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I thought the protests mainly took place in cities/states that Clinton won. Were there any demonstrations in Trump country? And why do you assume that the protesters didn't vote?

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These fool Bernie supporters figured that Trump would be philosophically more in line with their desire for deconstruction.

Enjoy your deconstruction with Rudy Giuliani.

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Agree 100%.

If you didn't vote, that's on you.

Philadelphia was the one I saw most prominently.

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Yeah well, ya know, that's just, like..uh, your opinion, man.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

They just took it for granted that people would reject him, and it bit them in the ass.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

I question how much of that group will actually need to 'live with it'. I suspect MANY in that group will be more or less just fine with little more than maybe a scrape or bruise here and there to show for it.

I didn't mind Bernie at all, would've much preferred him as the candidate, but when it didn't happen I didn't act like an entitled, petulant little bitch about it and knew well enough to vote with my head and not my heart rather than be so very brave and risk fucking over others in my quest to pretend I was doing some great service by being, what, a vigilante voter?

Regardless, I, and folks like me, have to actually 'live with it'.

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It's a quote from The Big Lebowski, with a few names changed.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

A small group of people, maybe.

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Meh, political protest is essential to any democracy. And how do you know these protesters didn't vote, anyway? The few I know sure did.

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I guess winning makes Trump less of a horseshit candidate? Hillary Clinton still has amassed more votes in every election that she has ever participated in but all you ever hear is that no one wants her. She lost and her supporters need to get over it but there would have been far more people staying home if Sanders were the nominee.

I'm not going to pin it on him but if people wanted him they'd have voted for him during the primary. It was spinned as if the DNC sabotaged him but they didn't do anything besides diss him behind closed doors.

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I will give you credit ltg for corrctly calling out Bernie as a sellout.

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Then why did an unexpected number of women and hispanic voters vote for Trump? Why did so many people choose to stay home and not vote for her?

Trump was and is brutal but so was Hillary. And the Electoral College is the way things are. Sorry.



100% agree. He blew it.

Your premise would carry more weight had there been a better candidate to vote for. There wasn't. They were/are both awful. The people chose awful over awful, then the electoral college awarded the election to awful.

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MANY Trump supporters saw Trump's flaws and didn't care. Even if they supported someone else in the primary they came home. MANY people who would normally vote democrat didn't. Trump got the same number of votes as Romney and Hillary got 7 million fewer. That skews the percentages.

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You're right; can they bring the BCS back?

... because Hillary is terrible.

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That's fine. I have no problem with them believing that. As GD said they protested on Election Day by staying home or voting for someone else. No need to protest their protest now. Accept the results of their actions or inaction.

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GO BEARS!!!

Well, while I don't really understand what they're protesting, how do you know they didn't vote?

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dolpgin, can you please stop ignoring TM's question? Why do you assume most of these protestors didn't vote? The few people I know who went to the protest here voted.

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I never once mentioned the protesters. If they're not breaking shit or hurting anyone, let 'em protest twice a day for the next four years, more power to 'em I guess.

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Hillary lost Wisconsin by a slim margin and hadn't stepped foot in the state since the primaries. Just assumed she had it. That's a microcosm of her campaign and that's why she lost. Has nothing to do with Bernie Bros, third party voters, or Election Day protestors.

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Thanks Seacrest. I looked at his history as I did Obama Hillary and people I think of voting for. He was presented as an ideologue but Id seen too many pivots for him to be authentic. It wasn't so much his positions as much as it was affiliations. His party alignment decisions based on calculations too much to ever be the real deal. I'd preferred if he'd simply went the Johnson Nader route. He only became a Democrat to run for President and people bashed the DNC for seeing through it. No one ever actually looked at their position either. Kept being a spinned as if theyd wrong him. How? They were under no obligation to back him. He'd bashed them for years and now he expected support.

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If I were a protestor, I would take it directly to Trump and organize a national boycott of his brand: hotels, condos, clothing line, Ivanka's clothing line. Then I would begin working to beat the Republicans in mid terms.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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