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She was a terrible candidate ! That's why people stayed home or didn't want to vote for her. Why is this so hard for people to grasp ????

Stop blaming people who voted for a 3rd party candidate. It's lazy. Blame the DNC and the party itself for this horseshit candidate. Trump won???? These are the consequences for pre-determining Hillary would be the only option. THE BLAME LIES INWARD !!! And guess what.....unless they find someone who doesn't have a scandal following him/her around every other week, they Repubs will continue to win.

All-time finger pointing over her loss. Maybe that's the major problem.

THAT DAMN BERNIE !!!! WHY DIDN'T HE HELP US MORE????


I guess winning makes Trump less of a horseshit candidate? Hillary Clinton still has amassed more votes in every election that she has ever participated in but all you ever hear is that no one wants her. She lost and her supporters need to get over it but there would have been far more people staying home if Sanders were the nominee.

I'm not going to pin it on him but if people wanted him they'd have voted for him during the primary. It was spinned as if the DNC sabotaged him but they didn't do anything besides diss him behind closed doors.


I will give you credit ltg for corrctly calling out Bernie as a sellout.


Thanks Seacrest. I looked at his history as I did Obama Hillary and people I think of voting for. He was presented as an ideologue but Id seen too many pivots for him to be authentic. It wasn't so much his positions as much as it was affiliations. His party alignment decisions based on calculations too much to ever be the real deal. I'd preferred if he'd simply went the Johnson Nader route. He only became a Democrat to run for President and people bashed the DNC for seeing through it. No one ever actually looked at their position either. Kept being a spinned as if theyd wrong him. How? They were under no obligation to back him. He'd bashed them for years and now he expected support.


He didn't even sell out well either. He could have gotten a lot more than enough cash to buy a lake house in Vermont.

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Hillary lost Wisconsin by a slim margin and hadn't stepped foot in the state since the primaries. Just assumed she had it. That's a microcosm of her campaign and that's why she lost. Has nothing to do with Bernie Bros, third party voters, or Election Day protestors.


of course it does. As I originally stated, abstentions from voting turned this election. You are arguing percentages of voters. I am arguing volume.

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Hillary lost Wisconsin by a slim margin and hadn't stepped foot in the state since the primaries. Just assumed she had it. That's a microcosm of her campaign and that's why she lost. Has nothing to do with Bernie Bros, third party voters, or Election Day protestors.


of course it does. As I originally stated, abstentions from voting turned this election. You are arguing percentages of voters. I am arguing volume.


But how do you know the protesters didn't vote?

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DOLPHIN, HOW DO YOU KNOW THE PROTESTERS DIDN'T VOTE?

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Hillary lost Wisconsin by a slim margin and hadn't stepped foot in the state since the primaries. Just assumed she had it. That's a microcosm of her campaign and that's why she lost. Has nothing to do with Bernie Bros, third party voters, or Election Day protestors.


of course it does. As I originally stated, abstentions from voting turned this election. You are arguing percentages of voters. I am arguing volume.

Like I said, abstentstions from voting were a direct result of Hillary's campaign. Blame her. Don't blame people for not acting like "brand loyal" sheep. You're better than that.

You're critiquing protestors for not voting even though you have no idea the number(percentage or volume) of protestors who didn't vote. You're mad at the entire country, or the left wing of it anyway, for not turning out to vote and projecting that anger on to a small number of protestors who most likely voted anyway. Your anger is directed at the wrong group in this thread. Like I said in my earlier post, it's probably why you kept ignoring TMs question regarding this.

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DOLPHIN, HOW DO YOU KNOW THE PROTESTERS DIDN'T VOTE?

Someone put up a pic of that black guy who yells at deaf people.


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50% of the population did not vote. Wrangle them up, and protest those people.


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DOLPHIN, HOW DO YOU KNOW THE PROTESTERS DIDN'T VOTE?

Someone put up a pic of that black guy who yells at deaf people.

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dolpgin, can you please stop ignoring TM's question? Why do you assume most of these protestors didn't vote? The few people I know who went to the protest here voted.


I'll make sure to address every question and comment directed at me at this place to your satisfaction no matter if it is hidden within another question or appears within a fast moving thread.

Obama voters abstained from this election and it looked to me like the protestors fit the youngish and diverse demographic of otherwise absent voters Obama had brought to the polls. Did you expect an in depth study?

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dolpgin, can you please stop ignoring TM's question? Why do you assume most of these protestors didn't vote? The few people I know who went to the protest here voted.


I'll make sure to address every question and comment directed at me at this place to your satisfaction no matter if it is hidden within another question or appears within a fast moving thread.

Obama voters abstained from this election and it looked to me like the protestors fit the youngish and diverse demographic of otherwise absent voters Obama had brought to the polls. Did you expect an in depth study?

I expected at least some type of evidence supporting calling these protestors douchebags. I'm not surprised you weren't able to provide any. It's ok to acknowledge you made a baseless nomination because you're upset about the election results. These protestors you're insulting are just as unhappy. I'm guessing if they took the time to protest most of them took the time to vote. Either way, both of us are just guessing.

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dolpgin, can you please stop ignoring TM's question? Why do you assume most of these protestors didn't vote? The few people I know who went to the protest here voted.


I'll make sure to address every question and comment directed at me at this place to your satisfaction no matter if it is hidden within another question or appears within a fast moving thread.

Obama voters abstained from this election and it looked to me like the protestors fit the youngish and diverse demographic of otherwise absent voters Obama had brought to the polls. Did you expect an in depth study?


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dolpgin, can you please stop ignoring TM's question? Why do you assume most of these protestors didn't vote? The few people I know who went to the protest here voted.


I'll make sure to address every question and comment directed at me at this place to your satisfaction no matter if it is hidden within another question or appears within a fast moving thread.

Obama voters abstained from this election and it looked to me like the protestors fit the youngish and diverse demographic of otherwise absent voters Obama had brought to the polls. Did you expect an in depth study?


Mad or drunk?


like I told the homeless guy yesterday, I'm mad.

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dolpgin, can you please stop ignoring TM's question? Why do you assume most of these protestors didn't vote? The few people I know who went to the protest here voted.


I'll make sure to address every question and comment directed at me at this place to your satisfaction no matter if it is hidden within another question or appears within a fast moving thread.

Obama voters abstained from this election and it looked to me like the protestors fit the youngish and diverse demographic of otherwise absent voters Obama had brought to the polls. Did you expect an in depth study?

I expected at least some type of evidence supporting calling these protestors douchebags. I'm not surprised you weren't able to provide any. It's ok to acknowledge you made a baseless nomination because you're upset about the election results. These protestors you're insulting are just as unhappy. I'm guessing if they took the time to protest most of them took the time to vote. Either way, both of us are just guessing.


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What I find particularly inneresting is that a few weeks ago people were up in arms about Trump hemming and hawing about whether he would accept the election results, implying of course would he be able to handle his impending defeat.

Now that the election is over, and he won said election in the same fashion as virtually all prior elections in this country have been determined, it would appear the very same people that gave him shovel-fulls of shit for suggesting even the remotest possibility that he might not accept the election results are .... refusing to accept the election results.

It was very en vogue to make fun of the rubes that were pro-Trump for whatever reason(s) ... now we bear witness to the other side of the very same idiot coin.

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dolpgin, can you please stop ignoring TM's question? Why do you assume most of these protestors didn't vote? The few people I know who went to the protest here voted.


I'll make sure to address every question and comment directed at me at this place to your satisfaction no matter if it is hidden within another question or appears within a fast moving thread.

Obama voters abstained from this election and it looked to me like the protestors fit the youngish and diverse demographic of otherwise absent voters Obama had brought to the polls. Did you expect an in depth study?


Mad or drunk?


like I told the homeless guy yesterday, I'm mad.


I'm better today. As white males, we'll be fine. Say a prayer for our brothers of color.

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She was a terrible candidate ! That's why people stayed home or didn't want to vote for her. Why is this so hard for people to grasp ????

Stop blaming people who voted for a 3rd party candidate. It's lazy. Blame the DNC and the party itself for this horseshit candidate. Trump won???? These are the consequences for pre-determining Hillary would be the only option. THE BLAME LIES INWARD !!! And guess what.....unless they find someone who doesn't have a scandal following him/her around every other week, they Repubs will continue to win.

All-time finger pointing over her loss. Maybe that's the major problem.

THAT DAMN BERNIE !!!! WHY DIDN'T HE HELP US MORE????


I guess winning makes Trump less of a horseshit candidate? Hillary Clinton still has amassed more votes in every election that she has ever participated in but all you ever hear is that no one wants her. She lost and her supporters need to get over it but there would have been far more people staying home if Sanders were the nominee.

I'm not going to pin it on him but if people wanted him they'd have voted for him during the primary. It was spinned as if the DNC sabotaged him but they didn't do anything besides diss him behind closed doors.


I will give you credit ltg for corrctly calling out Bernie as a sellout.


Thanks Seacrest. I looked at his history as I did Obama Hillary and people I think of voting for. He was presented as an ideologue but Id seen too many pivots for him to be authentic. It wasn't so much his positions as much as it was affiliations. His party alignment decisions based on calculations too much to ever be the real deal. I'd preferred if he'd simply went the Johnson Nader route. He only became a Democrat to run for President and people bashed the DNC for seeing through it. No one ever actually looked at their position either. Kept being a spinned as if theyd wrong him. How? They were under no obligation to back him. He'd bashed them for years and now he expected support.


He didn't even sell out well either. He could have gotten a lot more than enough cash to buy a lake house in Vermont.


So where's your evidence that the money for Bernie's house came from some kind of payoff?

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What I find particularly inneresting is that a few weeks ago people were up in arms about Trump hemming and hawing about whether he would accept the election results, implying of course would he be able to handle his impending defeat.

Now that the election is over, and he won said election in the same fashion as virtually all prior elections in this country have been determined, it would appear the very same people that gave him shovel-fulls of shit for suggesting even the remotest possibility that he might not accept the election results are .... refusing to accept the election results.

It was very en vogue to make fun of the rubes that were pro-Trump for whatever reason(s) ... now we bear witness to the other side of the very same idiot coin.


I think there's an obvious difference between a major party presidential candidate questioning the legitimacy of the election process in which he is participating and a group of ordinary people protesting the results of that election because they oppose the winner's intentionally divisive campaign rhetoric. Trump deliberately ran a polarizing campaign, so it's hardly surprising to find that the public is polarized as a result of his victory.

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What I find particularly inneresting is that a few weeks ago people were up in arms about Trump hemming and hawing about whether he would accept the election results, implying of course would he be able to handle his impending defeat.

Now that the election is over, and he won said election in the same fashion as virtually all prior elections in this country have been determined, it would appear the very same people that gave him shovel-fulls of shit for suggesting even the remotest possibility that he might not accept the election results are .... refusing to accept the election results.

It was very en vogue to make fun of the rubes that were pro-Trump for whatever reason(s) ... now we bear witness to the other side of the very same idiot coin.


I think there's an obvious difference between a major party presidential candidate questioning the legitimacy of the election process in which he is participating and a group of ordinary people protesting the results of that election because they oppose the winner's intentionally divisive campaign rhetoric. Trump deliberately ran a polarizing campaign, so it's hardly surprising to find that the public is polarized as a result of his victory.

Now look.

I have little doubt that our politics are in any real way significantly different, excepting of course that yours is a FAR more informed opinion, which is no more of an admission to a fact than it is to 'admit' today is Thursday.

That said, to suggest that Trump led a divisive campaign but to not concurrently explicitly impugn Hillary of doing the same thing in a different way is a gross mischaracterization of the facts.

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What I find particularly inneresting is that a few weeks ago people were up in arms about Trump hemming and hawing about whether he would accept the election results, implying of course would he be able to handle his impending defeat.

Now that the election is over, and he won said election in the same fashion as virtually all prior elections in this country have been determined, it would appear the very same people that gave him shovel-fulls of shit for suggesting even the remotest possibility that he might not accept the election results are .... refusing to accept the election results.

It was very en vogue to make fun of the rubes that were pro-Trump for whatever reason(s) ... now we bear witness to the other side of the very same idiot coin.


I think there's an obvious difference between a major party presidential candidate questioning the legitimacy of the election process in which he is participating and a group of ordinary people protesting the results of that election because they oppose the winner's intentionally divisive campaign rhetoric. Trump deliberately ran a polarizing campaign, so it's hardly surprising to find that the public is polarized as a result of his victory.

Now look.

I have little doubt that our politics are in any real way significantly different, excepting of course that yours is a FAR more informed opinion, which is no more of an admission to a fact than it is to 'admit' today is Thursday.

That said, to suggest that Trump led a divisive campaign but to not concurrently explicitly impugn Hillary of doing the same thing in a different way is a gross mischaracterization of the facts.


TM has always been a Hillary apologist. What do you expect?

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What I find particularly inneresting is that a few weeks ago people were up in arms about Trump hemming and hawing about whether he would accept the election results, implying of course would he be able to handle his impending defeat.

Now that the election is over, and he won said election in the same fashion as virtually all prior elections in this country have been determined, it would appear the very same people that gave him shovel-fulls of shit for suggesting even the remotest possibility that he might not accept the election results are .... refusing to accept the election results.

It was very en vogue to make fun of the rubes that were pro-Trump for whatever reason(s) ... now we bear witness to the other side of the very same idiot coin.


I think there's an obvious difference between a major party presidential candidate questioning the legitimacy of the election process in which he is participating and a group of ordinary people protesting the results of that election because they oppose the winner's intentionally divisive campaign rhetoric. Trump deliberately ran a polarizing campaign, so it's hardly surprising to find that the public is polarized as a result of his victory.

Now look.

I have little doubt that our politics are in any real way significantly different, excepting of course that yours is a FAR more informed opinion, which is no more of an admission to a fact than it is to 'admit' today is Thursday.

That said, to suggest that Trump led a divisive campaign but to not concurrently explicitly impugn Hillary of doing the same thing in a different way is a gross mischaracterization of the facts.


OK, then explain the facts to me.

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No, you're right, calling his voters "deplorables" was a phenomenal way to bridge the gap between the two candidates and their differences. I am not going to make out an exhaustive list of which candidate did what divisive dumbassery and see where the scales finally end up.

Just take the heartfelt compliment along with my relatively small critique and leave it sit ... no reason to jeopardize the 'more informed' plaudit.

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No, you're right, calling his voters "deplorables" was a phenomenal way to bridge the gap between the two candidates and their differences. I am not going to make out an exhaustive list of which candidate did what divisive dumbassery and see where the scales finally end up.

Just take the heartfelt compliment along with my relatively small critique and leave it sit ... no reason to jeopardize the 'more informed' plaudit.


Dude, you're all over the place, claiming to compliment me at the same time you're being condescending and insulting. It's more than a little strange that you often respond to disagreements with your ideas by making personal attacks.

Clinton obviously made polarizing remarks--that's the way elections typically work. But much of her campaign was built around figuratively isolating Trump from the political class and the American public--identifying him as an anomaly rather than the norm. Tactically, she ran to the center and tried to win the moderate Republican vote by arguing that she better represented their ideas and values than Trump did. This approach starkly contrasts with that of Trump, whose entire political raison d'etre was to pit whites against nonwhites..

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If I were a protestor, I would take it directly to Trump and organize a national boycott of his brand: hotels, condos, clothing line, Ivanka's clothing line. Then I would begin working to beat the Republicans in mid terms.


Exactly. Taking to the streets in an unorganized protest, with no clear message isn't going to do shit. Neither is going nuts on social media.

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If I were a protestor, I would take it directly to Trump and organize a national boycott of his brand: hotels, condos, clothing line, Ivanka's clothing line. Then I would begin working to beat the Republicans in mid terms.


Exactly. Taking to the streets in an unorganized protest, with no clear message isn't going to do shit. Neither is going nuts on social media.


I don't think most of the protestors are Trump's usual brand buyers anyway.

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If I were a protestor, I would take it directly to Trump and organize a national boycott of his brand: hotels, condos, clothing line, Ivanka's clothing line. Then I would begin working to beat the Republicans in mid terms.


Exactly. Taking to the streets in an unorganized protest, with no clear message isn't going to do shit. Neither is going nuts on social media.


I don't think most of the protestors are Trump's usual brand buyers anyway.


Don't focus on the clothing line. The larger point is that protesting with no clear message, AFTER the election, will achieve little, if anything.

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She was a terrible candidate ! That's why people stayed home or didn't want to vote for her. Why is this so hard for people to grasp ????

Stop blaming people who voted for a 3rd party candidate. It's lazy. Blame the DNC and the party itself for this horseshit candidate. Trump won???? These are the consequences for pre-determining Hillary would be the only option. THE BLAME LIES INWARD !!! And guess what.....unless they find someone who doesn't have a scandal following him/her around every other week, they Repubs will continue to win.

All-time finger pointing over her loss. Maybe that's the major problem.

THAT DAMN BERNIE !!!! WHY DIDN'T HE HELP US MORE????


I guess winning makes Trump less of a horseshit candidate? Hillary Clinton still has amassed more votes in every election that she has ever participated in but all you ever hear is that no one wants her. She lost and her supporters need to get over it but there would have been far more people staying home if Sanders were the nominee.

I'm not going to pin it on him but if people wanted him they'd have voted for him during the primary. It was spinned as if the DNC sabotaged him but they didn't do anything besides diss him behind closed doors.


I will give you credit ltg for corrctly calling out Bernie as a sellout.


Thanks Seacrest. I looked at his history as I did Obama Hillary and people I think of voting for. He was presented as an ideologue but Id seen too many pivots for him to be authentic. It wasn't so much his positions as much as it was affiliations. His party alignment decisions based on calculations too much to ever be the real deal. I'd preferred if he'd simply went the Johnson Nader route. He only became a Democrat to run for President and people bashed the DNC for seeing through it. No one ever actually looked at their position either. Kept being a spinned as if theyd wrong him. How? They were under no obligation to back him. He'd bashed them for years and now he expected support.


He didn't even sell out well either. He could have gotten a lot more than enough cash to buy a lake house in Vermont.


So where's your evidence that the money for Bernie's house came from some kind of payoff?


Bernie's 3rd house came from money he was paid for a book advance to chronicle his campaign for President fighting for the 1% of the population who have trouble affording their rent each month. After selling out and backing the great defender of Wall St, Hillary Clinton.

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DOLPHIN, HOW DO YOU KNOW THE PROTESTERS DIDN'T VOTE?

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Bernie's 3rd house came from money he was paid for a book advance to chronicle his campaign for President fighting for the 1% of the population who have trouble affording their rent each month. After selling out and backing the great defender of Wall St, Hillary Clinton.


So are you saying that the book advance had something to do with his support for Hillary? If so, please provide evidence. If not, why bring it up? And if you aren't implying a connection, then how exactly did Sanders sell out? Are you suggesting that his support for Hillary was a sellout? Why? It's a pretty common belief that Trump is a lot worse than Hillary.

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