I'm addressing Scooter's specific point about Trump not being a liar. You never heard me say that Hillary isn't a liar.

Settle down.

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Well... we do allow a secret ballot here. I mean, no one owes you an answer. You're making it sound like they committed a crime or something and you demand answers. Its... unnerving.

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No shit.



No shit.



False, you are just over-reacting.



Settle down.

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Chus. Dude. Stop acting like I'm raving and you're mr. Cool.
I've been more than measured all night.
You don't need this subterfuge to make your point. You can do it without trying to portray your opponents unfairly as lunatics.
We're all friends here.

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Chus... can we drop the settle down crap now? Please?
It's unnecessary.

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You're the guy who says I am accusing people of committing a crime by voting for Trump.

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Not exactly what I said but yeah.

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You said it exactly...twice.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
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I never said you accused them of a crime. I said you wanted them to admit to something like they were admitting to a crime. Read what I said again.

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Now we're arguing semantics? Sounds like subterfuge either way.

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Um... ok dude.
The difference is significant between accusing someone of committing a crime and demanding a confession as if they had committed a crime. That's not semantics... that's two complete different things.
Perhaps we can agree to disagree on that point and stop talking about it as I don't see a reasonable resolution to this.

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I voted for Trump earlier this year too for a dumb reason.

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GO BEARS!!!

I don't think you are alone on that. Way to go. It worked out great.

That doesn't make sense though. So much of the stuff we buy is made in China. There has to be a reason.

If it was automation we would still have factories filling all those rust belt cities and my phone would have been made in Cleveland.

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You sound like Mike North when he claimed the economy was fine because he went to Vegas and there were a lot of people there.

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I'll wait for a real response. Let's see if you can make one.

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You don't have to do much checking to know that Trump told far more lies during the campaign than Clinton. It wasn't even close.

The thing is, we've become numb to such lies, particularly within the context of our political campaigns. Some people even consider it clever or admirable. "You have to say what you need to say to get elected." If it's a guy they support the next sentence is, "In order to get into office to do good."

But Clinton's secrecy and lies were on the public's dime. That does make a difference. I guess we'll have to see how Trump handles it now that he's in office. I don't expect him to stop lying.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Think he was talking about you?

No. I don't usually vote. I wasn't going to vote in this election.

Scooter will be wearing a lampshade on his head made out of Bernstein

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I wonder how butthurt some of Trump's crazy supporters are that he met with and called Obama a great man this morning.

I guess we'll have to wait until Darkside logs on later to find out.

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My wonderment is at the assumed Obama supporters going crazy while Obama calls for a smooth transition.

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Elections have consequences.

You don't think both sides are like that?

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Automation is global and costing jobs in China and Mexico as well as here. For items that aren't as cost-effective to automate, cheap labor in China (and to a lesser extent, Mexico) is making up the difference for jobs that would have to be automated here to remain. Either way, that US job is gone.

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You know me like that.

Automation is going to get everyone in the end but there is a reason those automated jobs didn't stay here.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I've been thinking long and hard about this... do we really care about blue collar workers, anyway? Just let them die off.

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dark humor but data is showing life span declining.

I'm generalizing based on first-hand experience but the path seems to be -

1. Job too expensive to stay, cheaper labor in Mexico
2. Move work to Mexico (outsourced or new facility)
3. Volume of production is such that automation in Mexico makes sense
4. Job is automated in Mexico

There are obvious exceptions for jobs that require technical expertise and it then automates here in the US. But, typically, the cost/benefit analysis of automating basic operations show it's cheaper to farm the work out if possible to cheap labor rather than automate here.

Combine that with most major manufacturers moving to Mexico and requiring more JIT programs make the move to China/Mexico/etc. almost a necessity to keep business.

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You know me like that.

We still have to at least pretend. It's rude not to.

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