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I've been thinking long and hard about this... do we really care about blue collar workers, anyway? Just let them die off.

dark humor but data is showing life span declining.


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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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I've been in many facilities in Mexico with 30,000 square feet and the entire production floor is tucked into about a 1/4 of the space in one corner of the building.

They then take me around and show me all the automation, far more than you would expect for some of those size operations. They've automated so much that 75% of the space is superfluous at this point.

It's quite eye-opening.

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I've been in many facilities in Mexico with 30,000 square feet and the entire production floor is tucked into about a 1/4 of the space in one corner of the building.

They then take me around and show me all the automation, far more than you would expect for some of those size operations. They've automated so much that 75% of the space is superfluous at this point.

It's quite eye-opening.


I don't understand how that adds value to your career as a doctor.

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I've been in many facilities in Mexico with 30,000 square feet and the entire production floor is tucked into about a 1/4 of the space in one corner of the building.

They then take me around and show me all the automation, far more than you would expect for some of those size operations. They've automated so much that 75% of the space is superfluous at this point.

It's quite eye-opening.
You can thank me and Terrible IT Guy for that.

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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The flip-side is there are also many facilities operating in open air garages that are doing manual labor so tedious it would make you cry for $4.50/day.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I've been in many facilities in Mexico with 30,000 square feet and the entire production floor is tucked into about a 1/4 of the space in one corner of the building.

They then take me around and show me all the automation, far more than you would expect for some of those size operations. They've automated so much that 75% of the space is superfluous at this point.

It's quite eye-opening.


I don't understand how that adds value to your career as a doctor.


I tour Mexican manufacturing facilities on vacation.

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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That doesn't make sense though. So much of the stuff we buy is made in China. There has to be a reason.
We'd rather have them be the folks who get cancer than us.

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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


How often before you post do you think to yourself "you know what? I'm just gonna throw this shit out there and see who I can piss off"?

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


That's why you voted for him?

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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


That's why you voted for him?


He was on LTG's list of people secretly voting for Trump...

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


That's why you voted for him?
No, I threw my vote away.

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


How often before you post do you think to yourself "you know what? I'm just gonna throw this shit out there and see who I can piss off"?
Dan Bernstein just kind of pointed it out in a different way.

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


How often before you post do you think to yourself "you know what? I'm just gonna throw this shit out there and see who I can piss off"?
Dan Bernstein just kind of pointed it out in a different way.


He said Trump's going to boost the lampshade industry?

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


That's why you voted for him?


He was on LTG's list of people secretly voting for Trump...


I'm sure of it

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 Post subject: Re: President Trump
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I voted for Johnson, but looking back I now really wish I voted for Trump.

I've been smiling from ear to ear ever since Tuesday night. Seeing all these liberal elitists falling off their high horses has made me extremely happy. They've been in charge too long and its gotten to their heads. They now feel that they have the right to tell everyone else what they should want, how they should feel, and what they should be outraged against. And if you're not feeling those things? Then they label you as no different than the person who uttered or did the supposed grotesque thing. As a white guy I'm sick of hearing words like whitesplaining, mansplaining, white privilege, rape culture, safe space etc. And who keeps saying those things? It sure ain't coming from Trump's supporters.

So I'm glad those Caller Bobs are all crying in their milk yesterday and today.


Also, for most of my life I've been apathetic about who is President. I've always felt it doesn't matter, that the machine runs it self. But, this is the first time I feel that might not be true. We might finally have a President who's not part of some big party machine and is going to actually try to accomplish something. I'm honestly excited about this for the first time in my life. We are witnessing a revolution, the end of globalization and hopefully the liberal elitists. I for one am excited to see where it goes.

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You sound like Mike North when he claimed the economy was fine because he went to. Eva's and there were a lot of people there.
I'll wait for a real response. Let's see if you can make one.
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You sound like Mike North when he claimed the economy was fine because he went to. Eva's and there were a lot of people there.
I'll wait for a real response. Let's see if you can make one.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/mexico-taking-us-factory-jobs-blame-robots-43238078
Donald Trump blames Mexico and China for stealing millions of jobs from the United States.

He might want to bash the robots instead.

Despite the Republican presidential nominee's charge that "we don't make anything anymore," manufacturing is still flourishing in America. Problem is, factories don't need as many people as they used to because machines now do so much of the work.

America has lost more than 7 million factory jobs since manufacturing employment peaked in 1979. Yet American factory production, minus raw materials and some other costs, more than doubled over the same span to $1.91 trillion last year, according to the Commerce Department, which uses 2009 dollars to adjust for inflation. That's a notch below the record set on the eve of the Great Recession in 2007. And it makes U.S. manufacturers No. 2 in the world behind China.

Trump and other critics are right that trade has claimed some American factory jobs, especially after China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001 and gained easier access to the U.S. market. And industries that have relied heavily on labor — like textile and furniture manufacturing — have lost jobs and production to low-wage foreign competition. U.S. textile production, for instance, is down 46 percent since 2000. And over that time, the textile industry has shed 366,000, or 62 percent, of its jobs in the United States.

But research shows that the automation of U.S. factories is a much bigger factor than foreign trade in the loss of factory jobs. A study at Ball State University's Center for Business and Economic Research last year found that trade accounted for just 13 percent of America's lost factory jobs. The vast majority of the lost jobs — 88 percent — were taken by robots and other homegrown factors that reduce factories' need for human labor.

"We're making more with fewer people," says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.

General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.

Or look at production of steel and other primary metals. Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.

Allan Collard-Wexler of Duke University and Jan De Loecker of Princeton University found last year that America didn't lose most steel jobs to foreign competition or faltering sales. Steel jobs vanished because of the rise of a new technology: Super-efficient mini-mills that make steel largely from scrap metal.

The robot revolution is just beginning.

The Boston Consulting Group predicts that investment in industrial robots will grow 10 percent a year in the 25-biggest export nations through 2025, up from 2 or 3 percent growth in recent years.

The economics of robotics are hard to argue with. When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.

And the costs are dropping: Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.

CEO Ronald De Feo is overseeing a turnaround at Kennametal, a Pittsburgh-based industrial materials company. The effort includes investing $200 million to $300 million to modernize Kennametal's factories while cutting 1,000 of 12,000 jobs. Automation is claiming some of those jobs and will claim more in the future, De Feo says.

"What we want to do is automate and let attrition" reduce the workforce, he says.

Visiting a Kennametal plant in Germany, De Feo found workers packing items by hand. He ordered $10 million in machinery to automate the process in Germany and North America.

That move, he says, will produce "better quality at lower cost" and "likely result in a combination of job cuts and reassignments."

But the rise of the machines offers an upside to some American workers: The increased use of robots — combined with higher labor costs in China and other developing countries — has reduced the incentive for companies to chase low-wage labor around the world.

Multinational companies are also rethinking how they spread production across the globe in the 1990s and 2000s, when they tended to manufacture components in different countries and then assemble a product at a plant in China or other low-wage country. The 2011 earthquake and tsunami in Japan, which disrupted shipments of auto parts, and the bankruptcy of the South Korean shipping line Hanjin Shipping, which stranded cargo in ports, exposed the risk of relying on far-flung supply lines.

"If your supply chain gets interrupted and your raw materials are coming from offshore, all of a sudden shelves are empty and you can't sell product," says Thomas Caudle, president of the North Carolina-based textile company Unifi.

So companies have been returning to the United States, capitalizing on the savings provided by robots, cheap energy and the chance to be closer to customers.

"They don't have all their eggs in that Asian basket anymore," Caudle says.

Over the past six years, Unifi has added about 200 jobs, bringing the total to over 1,100, at its automated factory in Yadkinville, North Carolina, where recycled plastic bottles are converted into Repreve yarn. Unmanned carts crisscross the factory floor, retrieving packages of yarn with mechanical arms — work once done by people.

In a survey by the consulting firm Deloitte, global manufacturing executives predicted that that the United States — now No. 2 — will overtake China as the most competitive country in manufacturing by 2020. (Competitiveness is measured by such factors as costs, productivity and the protection of intellectual property.)

The Reshoring Initiative, a nonprofit that lobbies manufacturers to return jobs to the United States, says America was losing an average of 220,000 net jobs a year to other countries a decade ago. Now, the number being moved abroad is roughly offset by the number that are coming back or being created by foreign investment.

Harold Sirkin, senior partner at Boston Consulting, says the global scramble by companies for cheap labor is ending.

"When I hear that (foreigners) are taking all our jobs — the answer is, they're not," he says.

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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


How often before you post do you think to yourself "you know what? I'm just gonna throw this shit out there and see who I can piss off"?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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So, which week do you suppose Trump be roll into town to fix Chicago?

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So companies have been returning to the United States, capitalizing on the savings provided by robots, cheap energy and the chance to be closer to customers.
So like I was saying.....

Automation is taking jobs now but those jobs moved overseas for a reason other than automation.

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I've been in many facilities in Mexico with 30,000 square feet and the entire production floor is tucked into about a 1/4 of the space in one corner of the building.

They then take me around and show me all the automation, far more than you would expect for some of those size operations. They've automated so much that 75% of the space is superfluous at this point.

It's quite eye-opening.


I don't understand how that adds value to your career as a doctor.


The facilities are for harvesting body parts from tourists that Ken imports

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I'm starting to think that Donald Trump is going to accomplish what Bernie Sanders could not and would not have.


How often before you post do you think to yourself "you know what? I'm just gonna throw this shit out there and see who I can piss off"?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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