Fine, Hillary only talked about togetherness, inclusiveness, and gathering everyone under the same big tent.

It doesn't matter today anyway.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

It took 3 pages to get this. Did anyone ever think that turnout for Obama was/is maybe the anomaly? The people that turned out for him just don't vote regularly.

In the future, it may be wise for Democrats to pay attention to a) more than just urban and suburban voters and b) more than just "blue" states and stop whining about the Electoral College. (Also, stop trying to take peoples' guns away.) JFC, Clinton won, what, 19 states? Democrats don't seem to care about half of the states. Whatever happened to Howard Dean's 50-State Strategy?

Plus, how about pointing the finger at Obama? How have Dems fared the past 8 years? Lost the House. Lost the Senate. Lost half of the governorships. Lost state legislatures. (Rising healthcare premiums right before the election.) While Obama's personal numbers may be good, he did squat for the party.

For a guy who claims to have a problem with mischaracterization, you sure don't seem to have a problem engaging in some mischaracterizations of your own.

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His book advance had to do with selling a message he doesn't appear to believe is relevant to himself. While the 1% struggles to make rent, Bernie champions them long enough to get a book advance for a vacation home.

His support for Hillary was a sellout. Same as Ted Cruz ended up selling out his "message."

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Great post, and the stuff about the 50-state strategy is especially important. The Democrats have abandoned it because they have largely become the party of the professional-managerial class (not the working class or even the middle class) and have no idea how to appeal to voters in most sections of the country.

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Clearly, they need to pose on more forklifts.

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This is true. Many people probably don't feel they can leave the Dem party but it really does little for them. Maybe this is why some protest? They think they are protesting Trump but really should be mad at their own party.

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Elections have consequences.

The Republicans control the entire country with the exception of about 10 states. We should all be concerned.

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GO BEARS!!!

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I think you have completely misunderstood Sanders' message. He doesn't inherently oppose the idea of wealth; rather, he opposes the social conditions that prevent people from living comfortable lives. He doesn't want people to live poorly, he wants them to live well--and he has worked consistently, if not effectively, to create a society where this is possible.

In any event, I sure don't see how accepting a book advance betrays any loyalties to the working class. The guy has championed the same ideas for most of his life, which he has lived quite modestly; if he wants a vacation home to enjoy before he kicks the bucket, I really don't think that's such a bad thing. And by the way, most of the house was paid for with proceeds from the sale of a home that his wife inherited, not the book advance.

Finally, the fact that you interpret Sanders' support as a sellout doesn't make it so, no matter how many times you restate your belief without supporting it.

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Most of the house was not paid for by his wife. A quarter of it was.

Bernie had been a pretty good example before this of giving what he had left to charities.

Buying a 3rd home while claiming to champion the working class without one of their own rings incredibly hollow.

He has spent most of his life championing the poor. Which is what makes this behavior a sellout now. Your unwillingness to acknowledge the obvious doesn't make it any less obvious.

The fact that you think it's ok that he buys a vacation home is a nod toward entitlement.

Like I said, LTG nailed this one.

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How is he selling out the poor? Has he somehow stopped advocating for a more just society? He seems to be the same guy he's always been--flawed but fundamentally decent.

Further, is there some kind of lifestyle threshold that one has to live below in order not to be a "sellout"? Why are two homes OK, as you imply, and not three? Why is one home acceptable at all in the first place? The fact that you implicitly embrace the existential validity of private property would seem by your logic to be a "nod toward entitlement".

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Bernie Sanders has gotten rich off the government unlike a guy like Biden. From dirt floors to 3 homes.

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What has the Conservative movement done for African Americans? What have they attempted to do for African Americans? I continually ask this question and never get a response. Instead it's the Condescending implication that they are stupid for voting Democratic. I admit they aren't a panacea but they have reached out to blacks in a much more forthright way than have Republicans. Not even close on that.

I'd also state very emphatically that they have enacted programs which theoretically were designed to address racial economic and social inequities. What have Republicans done in this regard?

Which programs have Republicans designed which

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He had not before the 2016 election cycle.

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Don't Biden and Sanders have about the same net worth?

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We never saw his tax returns so it's hard to say.

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I could tell you if I saw his tax returns.

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He filed his disclosure reports yearly. He was a man of virtually no means with as much as $65K in credit card debt in 2015. He made a small pension from the city of Burlington and his salary as a Senator.

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One of those homes is a condo in D.C. The size of the mortgage is relatively small, so it's cheaper for him to own than rent. What an outrage.

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The Bernie hatred continues. Of all the crooked, corrupt motherfuckers in this country, he's the one that everyone takes shots at. Astounding.

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Nas is just trying to distract himself from the fact that Blacks, Hispanics and white women cost Hillary the election.

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Berniebros and Bernie__s. I know a lot of them.

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All because he bought a house that cost $600,000. A price that is probably lower than houses that MANY here live in. What a snob.

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Shades of Irish Boy calling the Mannywood Dodgers the perfect opponent for the 08 Cubs

inherited wealth is evil

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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We can't blame 3rd party voters every time there is a close election.

That's the kind of silliness that limits our choice now.

Obama, Bill, and Reagan didn't sweat the third party vote

I'm happy for you that you live in a house that costs $600K. How much do your other two houses come in at?

Pretty sad that the movement ended on the shores of Lake Champlain.

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