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Kinda wonder what the response would have been if a large group of old white guys had burned an Obama effigy shortly after his election.


He was hanged by MANY.

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Kinda wonder what the response would have been if a large group of old white guys had burned an Obama effigy shortly after his election.


He was hanged by MANY.


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Kinda wonder what the response would have been if a large group of old white guys had burned an Obama effigy shortly after his election.


He was hanged by MANY.


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:lol: :lol: :lol: #LearningFromMistakes

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I love how the Deadspin reporter and her female colleagues in the article had to take the day off work to cope with Hillary's loss. This is equality apparently.

I think this article largely nails it on the media class, which Trump demonized to victory: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary- ... tion-2016/

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I was listening to CNN yesterday and they spent a whole segment analyzing that some Trump supporters that they interviewed felt that "he doesn't mean what he said literally" that he was just trying to convey an idea.

The journalists couldn't wrap their heads around that - "but he said that. We are fact checking whether he can actually do what he said." They really couldn't understand the idea that he wasn't literally going to do what he said. The idea of hyperbole eluded them.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Kinda wonder what the response would have been if a large group of old white guys had burned an Obama effigy shortly after his election.


He was hanged by MANY.


:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


:lol: :lol: :lol: #LearningFromMistakes


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I always hyperfocus on that word because I didn't know that was a rule until a few years ago. Now when I see someone do it right, I'm like "Damn, that's impressive!"

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I was listening to CNN yesterday and they spent a whole segment analyzing that some Trump supporters that they interviewed felt that "he doesn't mean what he said literally" that he was just trying to convey an idea.

The journalists couldn't wrap their heads around that - "but he said that. We are fact checking whether he can actually do what he said." They really couldn't understand the idea that he wasn't literally going to do what he said. The idea of hyperbole eluded them.


I think Panther posted a link to an article where the author that called Trump a "great persuader" and suggested that he purposely staked out these radical positions so that when he dials them back to something he can actually accomplish it seems very reasonable. Personally, I think that's giving the guy way too much credit, but who knows?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I was listening to CNN yesterday and they spent a whole segment analyzing that some Trump supporters that they interviewed felt that "he doesn't mean what he said literally" that he was just trying to convey an idea.

The journalists couldn't wrap their heads around that - "but he said that. We are fact checking whether he can actually do what he said." They really couldn't understand the idea that he wasn't literally going to do what he said. The idea of hyperbole eluded them.


hoping this is the case...seems doubtful he is capable though.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I was listening to CNN yesterday and they spent a whole segment analyzing that some Trump supporters that they interviewed felt that "he doesn't mean what he said literally" that he was just trying to convey an idea.

The journalists couldn't wrap their heads around that - "but he said that. We are fact checking whether he can actually do what he said." They really couldn't understand the idea that he wasn't literally going to do what he said. The idea of hyperbole eluded them.


hoping this is the case...seems doubtful he is capable though.


I don't know if it is the case or not. I suspect it is.

But, the entire concept absolutely eluded them.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I was listening to CNN yesterday and they spent a whole segment analyzing that some Trump supporters that they interviewed felt that "he doesn't mean what he said literally" that he was just trying to convey an idea.

The journalists couldn't wrap their heads around that - "but he said that. We are fact checking whether he can actually do what he said." They really couldn't understand the idea that he wasn't literally going to do what he said. The idea of hyperbole eluded them.


I think Panther posted a link to an article where the author that called Trump a "great persuader" and suggested that he purposely staked out these radical positions so that when he dials them back to something he can actually accomplish it seems very reasonable. Personally, I think that's giving the guy way too much credit, but who knows?


It is. He's not that smart or tactical. I think he ran for president to gain publicity and be outrageous (or perhaps just for fun) and all the sudden, it sank in that he was being seriously considered. I don't think any of this was planned ahead of time. There's nothing about him or what he says that implies he is the least bit strategic in what he says or does. Hell, I think that was part of his appeal.

Dr. Ken, to your point... I understand what you're saying, but aren't they kind of right? I mean, if literally every single thing a person says is not going to happen, shouldn't we just stop asking politicians questions and just go straight to whether we'd like to have a beer with them?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I don't know if it is the case or not. I suspect it is.

But, the entire concept absolutely eluded them.
I think it is the answer he will choose for a question he didn't think he would ever have to answer.

Winning the Presidency really screwed him over.

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I don't know if it is the case or not. I suspect it is.

But, the entire concept absolutely eluded them.
I think it is the answer he will choose for a question he didn't think he would ever have to answer.

Winning the Presidency really screwed him over.


I think, in many ways, this is true. He never thought this would happen.

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That's on you for letting each of them find out about the other in the first place.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I don't know if it is the case or not. I suspect it is.

But, the entire concept absolutely eluded them.
I think it is the answer he will choose for a question he didn't think he would ever have to answer.

Winning the Presidency really screwed him over.


I think, in many ways, this is true. He never thought this would happen.
I thought it was amazing that in his acceptance speech he openly mentioned that he may only do it for two years and everyone was pretty much just like "Yeah, I get it".

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Never before has there been a public figure which I thought Hanlon's Razor applied more to than Trump:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

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Kinda wonder what the response would have been if a large group of old white guys had burned an Obama effigy shortly after his election.


He was hanged by MANY.

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Dr. Ken, to your point... I understand what you're saying, but aren't they kind of right? I mean, if literally every single thing a person says is not going to happen, shouldn't we just stop asking politicians questions and just go straight to whether we'd like to have a beer with them?


Yes, to the extreme. But, I would hope a journalist would be able to see the greys (not the space aliens) between black and white.

I'm hoping the media aren't robots. Probably wrong though.

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That's on you for letting each of them find out about the other in the first place.

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This is good in theory, but all this "we must explore this Other America and seek to understand them" crap is just gonna result in, like, Jill Filipovic writing a book called The United States of Pepe and it's just 200 pages of housebound teenage boys owning her on Twitter. "Well, we did our part."

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Oh God, I'm listening to the Weeds podcast on the "recommendation" of Freddie deBoer and I'm infuriated, like hit-the-ceiling infuriated. "Maybe campaigns...don't matter." Yes, they do matter, it's why you lost. "Actually, IIIIIII feel like Hillary's ground game did work." No, it didn't, you lost, you lost, you lost you lost you lost you lost.

Also, Matthew Yglesias has a higher voice than the woman who co-hosts.

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This is great! Cocaine?

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This is great! Cocaine?


.I don't think MSNBC is use to that level of aggression

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This is great! Cocaine?


Donald Trump traveled the world feeding the kids?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I was listening to CNN yesterday and they spent a whole segment analyzing that some Trump supporters that they interviewed felt that "he doesn't mean what he said literally" that he was just trying to convey an idea.

The journalists couldn't wrap their heads around that - "but he said that. We are fact checking whether he can actually do what he said." They really couldn't understand the idea that he wasn't literally going to do what he said. The idea of hyperbole eluded them.


I was watching CNN as well, bunch of clowns. They had head of the RNC guy on, really smart guy, and host starts asking him if Trump is gonna start deporting Muslims. RNC guy says, he said that back in June, since then he's said in every debate and elsewhere that he isn't going to do that so why are you asking me that? She responds, but didn't he say he was going to get rid of Muslims. And now doesn't he owe the people to come out and say he isn't going to do that. RNC guy back at her, why are you still asking me this, he has said MANY times that he isn't going to do that. Host again, but didn't he say he would. RNC guy, oh fuck off.


Its the god damned high horse liberals, they've spent the last 8 years successfully prosecuting society for saying anything non PC, they just can't wrap their heads around the concept that sometimes people just say shit and don't mean it.

Fucking hate them all, so glad Trump won.

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It is. He's not that smart or tactical. I think he ran for president to gain publicity and be outrageous (or perhaps just for fun) and all the sudden, it sank in that he was being seriously considered. I don't think any of this was planned ahead of time. There's nothing about him or what he says that implies he is the least bit strategic in what he says or does. Hell, I think that was part of his appeal.

So he defeated all the challengers in the GOP primary. He defeated the Clinton machine in the general. And yet you don't think he is at least a little smart and strategic?

I mean I get he is a boob, but come on, all of that just did not happen by chance.

I think he is smarter and more strategic than most give him credit for.

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It is. He's not that smart or tactical. I think he ran for president to gain publicity and be outrageous (or perhaps just for fun) and all the sudden, it sank in that he was being seriously considered. I don't think any of this was planned ahead of time. There's nothing about him or what he says that implies he is the least bit strategic in what he says or does. Hell, I think that was part of his appeal.

So he defeated all the challengers in the GOP primary. He defeated the Clinton machine in the general. And yet you don't think he is at least a little smart and strategic?

I mean I get he is a boob, but come on, all of that just did not happen by chance.

I think he is smarter and more strategic than most give him credit for.


I'm pretty sure that his rhetoric and behavior had nothing to do with being president. He was trying to position himself after losing to Hillary.

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I was listening to CNN yesterday and they spent a whole segment analyzing that some Trump supporters that they interviewed felt that "he doesn't mean what he said literally" that he was just trying to convey an idea.

The journalists couldn't wrap their heads around that - "but he said that. We are fact checking whether he can actually do what he said." They really couldn't understand the idea that he wasn't literally going to do what he said. The idea of hyperbole eluded them.

The meaning of hyperbole eludes Trump. The only ones saying he didn't mean what he said literally were his surrogates. Kelly Anne was tasked with that on a daily basis.

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