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Maybe Trump can just call a 1 800 number and be given free explicit instructions for troubleshooting and resolving problems.

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Maybe Trump can just call a 1 800 number and be given free explicit instructions for troubleshooting and resolving problems.


He would lose his shit if there was an option to push button #3 for Spanish.

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HW Bush and LBJ were the only people in recent history that were ready to be president on Day 1. Everyone else learns on the job. The difference between them and Trump is they had some experience and basic knowledge.

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Maybe Trump can just call a 1 800 number and be given free explicit instructions for troubleshooting and resolving problems.


He would lose his shit if there was an option to push button #3 for Spanish.

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In a nutshell act as though you want their vote. Actually campaign in black neighborhoods. Don't hold a rally on race and have the audience be 96% white. Don't denigrate blacks with demeaning phrases such "My African American". Actually campaign in black neighborhoods. Quit acting as though blacks are the only ones receiving govt assistance (of any sort). Quit rolling back programs designed to address the racial injustices that have afflicted blacks. Denounce and disown overtly racist individuals within the party.Stop with voter suppression activities designed to specifically disenfranchise blacks.


I don't think the Republican party acts like they want anybody's vote. Don't both parties campaign where they'd have the best chance of swaying votes? Not where party lines or votes are pretty much set?

I do think they should denounce and disown overtly racist individuals within the party. Not only is it the right thing to do but it'd be better for the party. I think all voter supression or fraud should be stopped..


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I laid out why I don't think he can be bought in another thread... cliffs note version is ego. I may be wrong. He might become a sellout. He might take foreign money for his campaign. Who knows?
But after 40 years of poor leadership from career politicians I'm willing to give a shot to someone who isn't a career politician. He didn't spend his whole life polishing his image (obviously) and with him what you see is what you get on an unprecedented level. Maybe I just love chaos but I'm down for that.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but President of the U.S. is the ultimate political position. Why would we "hire" a guy with no experience in that realm and just "hope" he does well?


Like Eisenhower? He seemed to do OK.

There's plenty of politics involved in the military. Nobody makes General without playing the game.


Could you elaborate on what practical skills trump lacks that a career politician would have? It seems like a president mostly brings ideas and a philosophy. He has been a businessman for decades making all kinds of deals with a variety of people including politicians. And there are lawyers to write the laws and advisors to recommend and interpret policy. It would seem Obama's one term in senate and community organizer experience would not have made him especially prepared either.

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Obama had been in politics for 2 decades before he was elected president. He also had a basic knowledge of the world and like most presidents appeared willing to learn. President-elect Trump didn't care for preparing or learning while running for president. I doubt he'll be able to get by doing that as president.

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Obama had been in politics for 2 decades before he was elected president. He also had a basic knowledge of the world and like most presidents appeared willing to learn. President-elect Trump didn't care for preparing or learning while running for president. I doubt he'll be able to get by doing that as president.

Why would he have prepared to tried to learn? He never thought he would actually win.

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Obama had been in politics for 2 decades before he was elected president. He also had a basic knowledge of the world and like most presidents appeared willing to learn. President-elect Trump didn't care for preparing or learning while running for president. I doubt he'll be able to get by doing that as president.

Why would he have prepared to tried to learn? He never thought he would actually win.


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Obama had been in politics for 2 decades before he was elected president. He also had a basic knowledge of the world and like most presidents appeared willing to learn. President-elect Trump didn't care for preparing or learning while running for president. I doubt he'll be able to get by doing that as president.

Why would he have prepared to tried to learn? He never thought he would actually win.


This is correct.

They said that yesterday, when he met with Obama, you could tell that reality was starting to set in for him. He was tense and pre-occupied as though the weight of the job might crush him.

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The advisors are going to be huge then. I'm hoping he picks the right people to keep on his america first track without going overboard on stuff or epicly failing.

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I laid out why I don't think he can be bought in another thread... cliffs note version is ego. I may be wrong. He might become a sellout. He might take foreign money for his campaign. Who knows?
But after 40 years of poor leadership from career politicians I'm willing to give a shot to someone who isn't a career politician. He didn't spend his whole life polishing his image (obviously) and with him what you see is what you get on an unprecedented level. Maybe I just love chaos but I'm down for that.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but President of the U.S. is the ultimate political position. Why would we "hire" a guy with no experience in that realm and just "hope" he does well?


Like Eisenhower? He seemed to do OK.

There's plenty of politics involved in the military. Nobody makes General without playing the game.


Could you elaborate on what practical skills trump lacks that a career politician would have? It seems like a president mostly brings ideas and a philosophy. He has been a businessman for decades making all kinds of deals with a variety of people including politicians. And there are lawyers to write the laws and advisors to recommend and interpret policy. It would seem Obama's one term in senate and community organizer experience would not have made him especially prepared either.

Every once in a great while the President has to speak in public. Occasionally he might even have to answer a question. Having the capability to string together a coherent response which demonstrates an actual understanding of the subject matter would be a great attribute.

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Ivanka will be running things. Don't worry.

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Trump was unscripted when he said those controversial things. He was an unpolished outsider. He will do a speeches with a teleprompter from now on like all the presidents. Obama does not sound all that polished speaking off the cuff, by the way. And trump can BS his way through news conferences and use his humor and charm like obama to cover up lack of knowledge or things he doesnt want to say.

Late edit: you can substitute GW Bush for all above mentions of obama. This isnt a partisan thing. I say fuck both parties.

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Every once in a great while the President has to speak in public. Occasionally he might even have to answer a question. Having the capability to string together a coherent response which demonstrates an actual understanding of the subject matter would be a great attribute.


:lol: :lol:

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Every once in a great while the President has to speak in public. Occasionally he might even have to answer a question. Having the capability to string together a coherent response which demonstrates an actual understanding of the subject matter would be a great attribute.


:lol: :lol:


I don't care if he dresses like an orange cat furry and meows at his press conferances. If the old bastard can stabilize the border and improve the economy, I and a lot of america would be satisfied.

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I like what our bar for the president has become.

He doesn't really have to be articulate, or understand anything, or have any ideals, or have any clue what he is doing, or not embarrass us, or have anyone like him, or really do anything at all. He can just surround himself with semi-competent people and let them do everything.

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I like what our bar for the president has become.

He doesn't really have to be articulate, or understand anything, or have any ideals, or have any clue what he is doing, or not embarrass us, or have anyone like him, or really do anything at all. He can just surround himself with semi-competent people and let them do everything.


The confirmation hearings should be hilarious if the Gingrich/Guiliani/Flynn nominations are really brought.

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I like what our bar for the president has become.

He doesn't really have to be articulate, or understand anything, or have any ideals, or have any clue what he is doing, or not embarrass us, or have anyone like him, or really do anything at all. He can just surround himself with semi-competent people and let them do everything.


The results of his policies are what counts. I'm willing to give him a chance. He has ideas. He needs to put people in place to acheive them. I think stopping the TPP and trying to get out of nafta are a damn good start. Controlling immigration is truely in the best interest of the country.

And I think you're giving past presidents too much credit. Theyre human and walk into that job with a narrow understanding of the big political picture. They're all getting a push from somewhere. No president really understands all the nuances of domestic and foreign policy. Look at how a small group of neocons that manipulated bush into war in iraq based on lies.

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I like what our bar for the president has become.

He doesn't really have to be articulate, or understand anything, or have any ideals, or have any clue what he is doing, or not embarrass us, or have anyone like him, or really do anything at all. He can just surround himself with semi-competent people and let them do everything.


The results of his policies are what counts. I'm willing to give him a chance. He has ideas. He needs to put people in place to acheive them. I think stopping the TPP and trying to get out of nafta are a damn good start. Controlling immigration is truely in the best interest of the country.

And I think you're giving past presidents too much credit. Theyre human and walk into that job with a narrow understanding of the big political picture. They're all getting a push from somewhere. No president really understands all the nuances of domestic and foreign policy. Look at how a small group of neocons that manipulated bush into war in iraq based on lies.



I agree they don't understand all the nuances... but they at least understood some or wanted to learn.

Look, I hope the guy is successful and does good things. Maybe this setup can work. I'm just highly skeptical and do find it embarrassing that he's the president. That's all.

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Yeah, we'll leave it there. You are a hell of a debater man. Im a forum newbie so I'm sorta just trying out some ideas. Its a challenge defending trump! I definitely see many flaws in trump and hope for the best too.

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I think I'm trying justify the rational/practical part of my acceptance of trump but there was definitely an instinctual inclination toward him. Really, things like the JDC thread and the bernstein tweets contributed. A significant part of my irrational trump love is a backlash to the SJW and politically correct shit. And it's not racism (by all but the most extreme SJW interpretation of the word) behind it

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I think I'm trying justify the rational/practical part of my acceptance of trump but there was definitely an instinctual inclination toward him. Really, things like the JDC thread and the bernstein tweets contributed. A significant part of my irrational trump love is a backlash to the SJW and politically correct shit. And it's not racism (by all but the most extreme SJW interpretation of the word) behind it


How the fuck does anger with safety pin culture lead one to endorse an unhinged, mendacious buffoon who wondered why we don't use nuclear weapons?

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Like I said on Wednesday President Trump is a repudiation of decency.

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I think I'm trying justify the rational/practical part of my acceptance of trump but there was definitely an instinctual inclination toward him. Really, things like the JDC thread and the bernstein tweets contributed. A significant part of my irrational trump love is a backlash to the SJW and politically correct shit. And it's not racism (by all but the most extreme SJW interpretation of the word) behind it


How the fuck does anger with safety pin culture lead one to endorse an unhinged, mendacious buffoon who wondered why we don't use nuclear weapons?


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I said its irrational, and he's an asshole. But I do think he has more concern for America and is less corrupt and bought than her. And HRC was likely to appoint 3 supreme court justices which I dont trust. She's a globalist and a fully purchased politician.

And safety pinner SJW mentality does in fact permeate academia and the media too. There were 2 good articles posted in one of the threads today about media elitism.

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I think I'm trying justify the rational/practical part of my acceptance of trump but there was definitely an instinctual inclination toward him. Really, things like the JDC thread and the bernstein tweets contributed. A significant part of my irrational trump love is a backlash to the SJW and politically correct shit. And it's not racism (by all but the most extreme SJW interpretation of the word) behind it


How the fuck does anger with safety pin culture lead one to endorse an unhinged, mendacious buffoon who wondered why we don't use nuclear weapons?


No one mentioned safety pins. The toxic brand of identity politics shrill SJW culture definitely turned out votes for Trump.

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Obama had been in politics for 2 decades before he was elected president. He also had a basic knowledge of the world and like most presidents appeared willing to learn. President-elect Trump didn't care for preparing or learning while running for president. I doubt he'll be able to get by doing that as president.

Why would he have prepared to tried to learn? He never thought he would actually win.


This is correct.

They said that yesterday, when he met with Obama, you could tell that reality was starting to set in for him. He was tense and pre-occupied as though the weight of the job might crush him.



He actually criticized Hillary Clinton for having the audacity to prep for a debate. He thought it was sort of nerdy. This is the idiot that we just elected President.

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I think I'm trying justify the rational/practical part of my acceptance of trump but there was definitely an instinctual inclination toward him. Really, things like the JDC thread and the bernstein tweets contributed. A significant part of my irrational trump love is a backlash to the SJW and politically correct shit. And it's not racism (by all but the most extreme SJW interpretation of the word) behind it


How the fuck does anger with safety pin culture lead one to endorse an unhinged, mendacious buffoon who wondered why we don't use nuclear weapons?


No one mentioned safety pins. The toxic brand of identity politics shrill SJW culture definitely turned out votes for Trump.



I think you missed the point (it's not safety pins). SJW culture and identity politics emerged out of ethical discourses that take place in academia and amongst certain kinds of activist causes. Those kinds of discourses will continue to spread no matter who occupies the oval office, whether liberal or conservative. So for those annoyed with such discourses it's not entirely clear how that annoyance should factor into one's vote.

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