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it could produce lots of anxiety, definitely. not a healthy thing.

i'd say that many whites say they have a lot of anxiety over being blamed for all sorts of weird shit, too.



So when was the last time you were verbally taunted in public ? Must happen all the time


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I hate to be the bearer of bad news to these youngsters, but safety pins do not actually protect you from the problems you will encounter in the real world.

Here is a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it is too late) that empty symbolic gestures are no substitute for actually addressing, coping with and doing something about actual difficulties you face in life.

Here's a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it's too late) that these aren't empty symbolic gestures in that they help some people address and cope with the actual difficulties in their lives. Some people don't have the luxury of being rich white males with enough power to do something you might feel is worth it. Maybe they start with this "stupid" idea of safety pins but eventually they go a little farther next time and the next and the next and they create a change you begrudgingly acknowledge. Or we can just shit on everyone and belittle any attempt at reaching out to people that may be in need of some support, no matter how small it is, that's much easier and then we can act like there's no problem.

For all the shit people talk about "SJWs" on this site, realize a lot of what gets posted here reads like stuff right out of the white male privilege textbook. Julie's got her Twitter as her SJW echo chamber and we have Julie's thread for the WMP echo chamber.


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it could produce lots of anxiety, definitely. not a healthy thing.

i'd say that many whites say they have a lot of anxiety over being blamed for all sorts of weird shit, too.



So when was the last time you were verbally taunted in public ? Must happen all the time

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news to these youngsters, but safety pins do not actually protect you from the problems you will encounter in the real world.

Here is a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it is too late) that empty symbolic gestures are no substitute for actually addressing, coping with and doing something about actual difficulties you face in life.

Here's a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it's too late) that these aren't empty symbolic gestures in that they help some people address and cope with the actual difficulties in their lives. Some people don't have the luxury of being rich white males with enough power to do something you might feel is worth it. Maybe they start with this "stupid" idea of safety pins but eventually they go a little farther next time and the next and the next and they create a change you begrudgingly acknowledge. Or we can just shit on everyone and belittle any attempt at reaching out to people that may be in need of some support, no matter how small it is, that's much easier and then we can act like there's no problem.

For all the shit people talk about "SJWs" on this site, realize a lot of what gets posted here reads like stuff right out of the white male privilege textbook. Julie's got her Twitter as her SJW echo chamber and we have Julie's thread for the WMP echo chamber.
The problem is that it legitimizes the idea that our next President is actually going to be a danger to American citizens or people in general when we only have empty campaign promises that have mostly been walked back to go on.

It's kind of like the ribbons that people wear for other stuff. It was great at the start but now there are so many ribbons that they get all lost in the crowd of them.

People are overreacting about Trump being elected as a way to be victims when it just doesn't exist.


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it could produce lots of anxiety, definitely. not a healthy thing.

i'd say that many whites say they have a lot of anxiety over being blamed for all sorts of weird shit, too.



So when was the last time you were verbally taunted in public ? Must happen all the time

well, i didn't say above that i was verbally taunted. the other stuff? happens all the time. i hear it from students and and colleagues all the time.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news to these youngsters, but safety pins do not actually protect you from the problems you will encounter in the real world.

Here is a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it is too late) that empty symbolic gestures are no substitute for actually addressing, coping with and doing something about actual difficulties you face in life.

Here's a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it's too late) that these aren't empty symbolic gestures in that they help some people address and cope with the actual difficulties in their lives. Some people don't have the luxury of being rich white males with enough power to do something you might feel is worth it. Maybe they start with this "stupid" idea of safety pins but eventually they go a little farther next time and the next and the next and they create a change you begrudgingly acknowledge. Or we can just shit on everyone and belittle any attempt at reaching out to people that may be in need of some support, no matter how small it is, that's much easier and then we can act like there's no problem.

For all the shit people talk about "SJWs" on this site, realize a lot of what gets posted here reads like stuff right out of the white male privilege textbook. Julie's got her Twitter as her SJW echo chamber and we have Julie's thread for the WMP echo chamber.
The problem is that it legitimizes the idea that our next President is actually going to be a danger to American citizens or people in general when we only have empty campaign promises that have mostly been walked back to go on.

It's kind of like the ribbons that people wear for other stuff. It was great at the start but now there are so many ribbons that they get all lost in the crowd of them.

People are overreacting about Trump being elected as a way to be victims when it just doesn't exist.


It may not necessarily be the president or his staff that people are concerned about but the violence and hatred from ordinary citizens since they now feel emboldened
Yes im aware some (or MANY) of those stories have been debunked, but I'm sure to those various groups the threat is real

It's hard for me to accept that the people--some, maybe even most--who are saying that they feel threatened are lying about it. Actually, it is easy for me to think they are lying until I talk to them and see that they are a little freaked--if not for themselves, for their relatives (in the case of undocumented people).

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Here's a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it's too late) that these aren't empty symbolic gestures in that they help some people address and cope with the actual difficulties in their lives. Some people don't have the luxury of being rich white males with enough power to do something you might feel is worth it. Maybe they start with this "stupid" idea of safety pins but eventually they go a little farther next time and the next and the next and they create a change you begrudgingly acknowledge. Or we can just shit on everyone and belittle any attempt at reaching out to people that may be in need of some support, no matter how small it is, that's much easier and then we can act like there's no problem.

For all the shit people talk about "SJWs" on this site, realize a lot of what gets posted here reads like stuff right out of the white male privilege textbook. Julie's got her Twitter as her SJW echo chamber and we have Julie's thread for the WMP echo chamber.


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Should we have safe spaces? Do we not have immigration issues we should be addressing? Should we allow the subjugation of women in our society?

I think the safety pin thing is stupid, and here's why. I don't believe they wear it to say they are safe and about love. I think their motivation is to show the world how great, understanding, and tolerant they are...until somebody won't put on a pin or has a differing viewpoint. I don't think they care about any of they people they are wearing the pin for as much as they like the idea championing the side they feel is weak and typically in a shallow not well thought out way. They adopt "correct" thinking and attempt to wipe out independent thought.


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Here's a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it's too late) that these aren't empty symbolic gestures in that they help some people address and cope with the actual difficulties in their lives. Some people don't have the luxury of being rich white males with enough power to do something you might feel is worth it. Maybe they start with this "stupid" idea of safety pins but eventually they go a little farther next time and the next and the next and they create a change you begrudgingly acknowledge. Or we can just shit on everyone and belittle any attempt at reaching out to people that may be in need of some support, no matter how small it is, that's much easier and then we can act like there's no problem.

For all the shit people talk about "SJWs" on this site, realize a lot of what gets posted here reads like stuff right out of the white male privilege textbook. Julie's got her Twitter as her SJW echo chamber and we have Julie's thread for the WMP echo chamber.


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Should we have safe spaces? Do we not have immigration issues we should be addressing? Should we allow the subjugation of women in our society?

I think the safety pin thing is stupid, and here's why. I don't believe they wear it to say they are safe and about love. I think their motivation is to show the world how great, understanding, and tolerant they are...until somebody won't put on a pin or has a differing viewpoint. I don't think they care about any of they people they are wearing the pin for as much as they like the idea championing the side they feel is weak and typically in a shallow not well thought out way. They adopt "correct" thinking and attempt to wipe out independent thought.


I choose decency over racism, xenophobia, misogyny and bigotry. That will always be my choice and I'll call people out who don't. You and others can call that being a SJW. I think it's just being a decent human being.

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I'd choose that too. You realize you are saying no discussions on immigration, or problems our country faces real or exaggerated should ever be discussed? All opposing viewpoints come from a place of hatred? When Julie has struggled to keep a job for more than 2 years at a time and was forced out of lawyering was misogyny?


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Here's a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it's too late) that these aren't empty symbolic gestures in that they help some people address and cope with the actual difficulties in their lives. Some people don't have the luxury of being rich white males with enough power to do something you might feel is worth it. Maybe they start with this "stupid" idea of safety pins but eventually they go a little farther next time and the next and the next and they create a change you begrudgingly acknowledge. Or we can just shit on everyone and belittle any attempt at reaching out to people that may be in need of some support, no matter how small it is, that's much easier and then we can act like there's no problem.

For all the shit people talk about "SJWs" on this site, realize a lot of what gets posted here reads like stuff right out of the white male privilege textbook. Julie's got her Twitter as her SJW echo chamber and we have Julie's thread for the WMP echo chamber.


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Should we have safe spaces? Do we not have immigration issues we should be addressing? Should we allow the subjugation of women in our society?

I think the safety pin thing is stupid, and here's why. I don't believe they wear it to say they are safe and about love. I think their motivation is to show the world how great, understanding, and tolerant they are...until somebody won't put on a pin or has a differing viewpoint. I don't think they care about any of they people they are wearing the pin for as much as they like the idea championing the side they feel is weak and typically in a shallow not well thought out way. They adopt "correct" thinking and attempt to wipe out independent thought.


I choose decency over racism, xenophobia, misogyny and bigotry. That will always be my choice and I'll call people out who don't. You and others can call that being a SJW. I think it's just being a decent human being.

It's not either-or. SJWs and Tea Partiers try to make everything either-or. You can be plenty compassionate and still call people on their bullshit.

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In my opinion wearing a safety pin is the equivalent of telling people that you crossfit. I feel like you are going out of your way to make a statement about yourself over making others feel comfortable. Just be a decent person....nothing more nothing less. Another thing you are doing is you are indirectly labeling everyone not wearing your pin as someone who is not a decent person. That is some bullshit and that is my main beef with this entire SJW movement.

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I'd choose that too. You realize you are saying no discussions on immigration, or problems our country faces real or exaggerated should ever be discussed? All opposing viewpoints come from a place of hatred? When Julie has struggled to keep a job for more than 2 years at a time and was forced out of lawyering was misogyny?


What are you talking about? Who says you can't discuss problems that we have? Of course you can. There isn't an issue real or otherwise that can't be discussed respectfully. Who said all opposing viewpoints come from a place of hate? I've never said it once in my life. I know nothing about Julie and I'm not sure why you're asking me about here. My statement was very clear.

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I'd choose that too. You realize you are saying no discussions on immigration, or problems our country faces real or exaggerated should ever be discussed? All opposing viewpoints come from a place of hatred? When Julie has struggled to keep a job for more than 2 years at a time and was forced out of lawyering was misogyny?


What are you talking about? Who says you can't discuss problems that we have? Of course you can. There isn't an issue real or otherwise that can't be discussed respectfully. Who said all opposing viewpoints come from a place of hate? I've never said it once in my life. I know nothing about Julie and I'm not sure why you're asking me about here. My statement was very clear.


I read it as you trying to force your radical views down the throats of MANY.

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I'd choose that too. You realize you are saying no discussions on immigration, or problems our country faces real or exaggerated should ever be discussed? All opposing viewpoints come from a place of hatred? When Julie has struggled to keep a job for more than 2 years at a time and was forced out of lawyering was misogyny?


What are you talking about? Who says you can't discuss problems that we have? Of course you can. There isn't an issue real or otherwise that can't be discussed respectfully. Who said all opposing viewpoints come from a place of hate? I've never said it once in my life. I know nothing about Julie and I'm not sure why you're asking me about here. My statement was very clear.


I read it as you trying to force your radical views down the throats of MANY.


MANY people are saying that I'm always right and I agree.

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We all have a responsibility to treat everyone outside a narrowly defined scope the best we can, because the government sure as shit won't. If people want to put pins on themselves in the process, so be it, but the idea itself is a good one.

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For as insignificant as the safety pin thing was made out to be earlier today, there sure are a lot of people getting really fucking worked up about the idea of being mistreated by not wearing one. So, apparently it has no power in making anyone feel better but it is the equivalent of a "fuck you, asshole" sign to anyone who chooses not to wear one.


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I hate to be the bearer of bad news to these youngsters, but safety pins do not actually protect you from the problems you will encounter in the real world.

Here is a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it is too late) that empty symbolic gestures are no substitute for actually addressing, coping with and doing something about actual difficulties you face in life.

Here's a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it's too late) that these aren't empty symbolic gestures in that they help some people address and cope with the actual difficulties in their lives. Some people don't have the luxury of being rich white males with enough power to do something you might feel is worth it. Maybe they start with this "stupid" idea of safety pins but eventually they go a little farther next time and the next and the next and they create a change you begrudgingly acknowledge. Or we can just shit on everyone and belittle any attempt at reaching out to people that may be in need of some support, no matter how small it is, that's much easier and then we can act like there's no problem.

For all the shit people talk about "SJWs" on this site, realize a lot of what gets posted here reads like stuff right out of the white male privilege textbook. Julie's got her Twitter as her SJW echo chamber and we have Julie's thread for the WMP echo chamber.


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It's hard for me to accept that the people--some, maybe even most--who are saying that they feel threatened are lying about it. Actually, it is easy for me to think they are lying until I talk to them and see that they are a little freaked--if not for themselves, for their relatives (in the case of undocumented people).


I don't think people are lying about how they feel. But that's what it is, feelings. It's not based on anything that is actually occurring or going to occur. Making up these phony incidents is as bad as if they actually happened. (Which one of you guys runs the Keyana Jones account? spmack? :lol: ) Trump won't be reinstating slavery and he won't be rounding up Jews. And it's a shame that people are instilling these fears into their children.

Now, with regard to undocumented people, that's another story. I'm sure many of them are very nervous, and rightfully so. Reasonable people can argue about how that issue should be addressed. Deporting every undocumented Mexican in the U.S. is simply untenable. It's idiotic. And many of these people have minor children who are U.S. citizens. Are you really going to break up families even if it was logistically possible? But the fact is these people have broken the law. I hesitate to call them criminals. I have MANY friends who are in the U.S. illegally. Most of them love the U.S. in a way that those of us who are born here don't- or can't. Still, it's pretty brazen for people who have broken the law to act as if they are the victims when someone is elected president on a platform of addressing their law breaking.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news to these youngsters, but safety pins do not actually protect you from the problems you will encounter in the real world.

Here is a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it is too late) that empty symbolic gestures are no substitute for actually addressing, coping with and doing something about actual difficulties you face in life.

Here's a novel idea - grow up and realize (before it's too late) that these aren't empty symbolic gestures in that they help some people address and cope with the actual difficulties in their lives. Some people don't have the luxury of being rich white males with enough power to do something you might feel is worth it. Maybe they start with this "stupid" idea of safety pins but eventually they go a little farther next time and the next and the next and they create a change you begrudgingly acknowledge. Or we can just shit on everyone and belittle any attempt at reaching out to people that may be in need of some support, no matter how small it is, that's much easier and then we can act like there's no problem.

For all the shit people talk about "SJWs" on this site, realize a lot of what gets posted here reads like stuff right out of the white male privilege textbook. Julie's got her Twitter as her SJW echo chamber and we have Julie's thread for the WMP echo chamber.


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What are you talking about? Who says you can't discuss problems that we have? Of course you can. There isn't an issue real or otherwise that can't be discussed respectfully. Who said all opposing viewpoints come from a place of hate? I've never said it once in my life. I know nothing about Julie and I'm not sure why you're asking me about here. My statement was very clear.


What are you talking about? This was your response to me.
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Every time a woman doesn't succeed it's not automatically misogyny. Immigration laws should be discussed and reasons against don't always have to do xenophobia. SJW have nothing to do with being a decent. They use force and name calling to push thru whatever they want many times not thinking or outright ignoring possible consequences.

I think wearing a safety pin is an empty, shallow, and derisive gesture. I don't believe it's an attempt at reaching out, I think it's quite the opposite. It's been said this opinion is right out of the white male privilege textbook, not supportive, and ignoring problems. I guess the conversation is now over. Maybe I'll put a pin on my winter coat which will solve no problems at all and help no one. At least I can then say Look at ME!!! I'm safe!!!!


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It's hard for me to accept that the people--some, maybe even most--who are saying that they feel threatened are lying about it. Actually, it is easy for me to think they are lying until I talk to them and see that they are a little freaked--if not for themselves, for their relatives (in the case of undocumented people).


I don't think people are lying about how they feel. But that's what it is, feelings. It's not based on anything that is actually occurring or going to occur. Making up these phony incidents is as bad as if they actually happened. (Which one of you guys runs the Keyana Jones account? spmack? :lol: ) Trump won't be reinstating slavery and he won't be rounding up Jews. And it's a shame that people are instilling these fears into their children.

Now, with regard to undocumented people, that's another story. I'm sure many of them are very nervous, and rightfully so. Reasonable people can argue about how that issue should be addressed. Deporting every undocumented Mexican in the U.S. is simply untenable. It's idiotic. And many of these people have minor children who are U.S. citizens. Are you really going to break up families even if it was logistically possible? But the fact is these people have broken the law. I hesitate to call them criminals. I have MANY friends who are in the U.S. illegally. Most of them love the U.S. in a way that those of us who are born here don't- or can't. Still, it's pretty brazen for people who have broken the law to act as if they are the victims when someone is elected president on a platform of addressing their law breaking.


The reason that Trump won't be reinstated slavery might be because he can't. There are systems in place which will prevent it even if he tried. He has made it clear about he feels about blacks though. I do think that people should be concerned however. If nothing else he has fanned the racial flames in this country. He ran a campaign largely based on race baiting and people aren't nor should they forget that.

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Every time a woman doesn't succeed it's not automatically misogyny. Immigration laws should be discussed and reasons against don't always have to do xenophobia. SJW have nothing to do with being a decent. They use force and name calling to push thru whatever they want many times not thinking or outright ignoring possible consequences.

I think wearing a safety pin is an empty, shallow, and derisive gesture. I don't believe it's an attempt at reaching out, I think it's quite the opposite. It's been said this opinion is right out of the white male privilege textbook, not supportive, and ignoring problems. I guess the conversation is now over. Maybe I'll put a pin on my winter coat which will solve no problems at all and help no one. At least I can then say Look at ME!!! I'm safe!!!!



The problem with that is Trump didn't relegate his statements about Hispanics to immigration. He stereotyped. That is where the xenophobia portion comes in. He did the exact same when discussing blacks. He paints with broad brushes and people that support him provide excuses for it.

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Every time a woman doesn't succeed it's not automatically misogyny. Immigration laws should be discussed and reasons against don't always have to do xenophobia. SJW have nothing to do with being a decent. They use force and name calling to push thru whatever they want many times not thinking or outright ignoring possible consequences.

I think wearing a safety pin is an empty, shallow, and derisive gesture. I don't believe it's an attempt at reaching out, I think it's quite the opposite. It's been said this opinion is right out of the white male privilege textbook, not supportive, and ignoring problems. I guess the conversation is now over. Maybe I'll put a pin on my winter coat which will solve no problems at all and help no one. At least I can then say Look at ME!!! I'm safe!!!!


Who said that? I have no idea what you are arguing or who you are arguing with. Clearly it isn't me. Enjoy your weekend.

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SJW have nothing to do with being a decent.


I think white privilege is obviously real. As a white man, I understand that just through that identity I have a head start in American society. However, there have been MANY mechanisms put in place to counteract that. And the concept of "privilege-checking" has gone far beyond any reasonable conversation on equality and is now nothing more than a method to shout down and discount the opinions of others based on nothing more than what they look like.

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