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MANY of the Trumpets were easy to spot. Even Pittmike is a Trumpet but he's waiting for positive action before coming out. Unlike MANY here over the past 8 years I will always respect the office.

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The Clintons are both racist as fuck.

You did not have a candidate in this race, Nas.

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The Clintons are both racist as fuck.

You did not have a candidate in this race, Nas.

You were duped.


I had a choice. I made the choice I thought was best for the country.

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I made the choice I thought was best for the country.

MANY did not.

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You know who should be worried right about now? Gloria Aldred.

I think she'll be ok - all she has to do if the heat gets turned up too high is hire Gloria Allred.

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Just think if Obama does not be a dick and try and humiliate Trump at the correspondents dinner this never happens.. Thanks Obama!


You're awfully happy today for a guy who voted for Gary Johnson.


MANY people here are celebrating a Trump victory. They were not so quietly behind him from the beginning. Now they can stop pretending they weren't since he's going to be president in a couple of months.


It's time for the closet Trumpets to come out. Take your victory lap. We already know who most of you are anyway.

LTG has a list!


The list is even more extensive than first anticipated. A lot of Never Trumpers are graduating to Trumper status post election. Everybody loves a winner.

your list included Curious Hair. And B Rick.

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i still find it pretty ironic that her campaign was "i'm not him", but then he ends up winning basically because he's not her


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"That didn't take long. Just hours after Hillary Clinton lost the presidency to Donald Trump — and hours after she left her disconsolate supporters at New York City's Jacob K. Javits Convention Center and hightailed it to the confines of Manhattan's Peninsula Hotel — cries of "sexism" erupted across America.

On Twitter, under the top-trending hashtag #NotMyPresident, many Americans bemoaned the "misogyny" that allegedly doomed Clinton from the start. "Trump didn't win because of (FBI Director James) Comey," MSNBC's Jonathan Alter wrote on election night. "He won because he's a testosterone candidate and men weren't ready for a woman president." Introducing Clinton before her Wednesday concession speech, Clinton's vice presidential running mate, Tim Kaine noted that Clinton had "made history in a nation that is good at so many things, but has made it uniquely difficult for a woman to be elected."

"It turns out the glass ceiling is reinforced with steel beams," Charlotte Alter wrote in Time magazine, arguing that Clinton's loss "may be as good a sign as any that we're not ready for glass-breaking yet." The "stench of sexism," she added, "engulfed Hillary Clinton's quixotic bid for the presidency, magnifying her flaws and minimizing her considerable strengths."

Well, something certainly smells about all this hullaballoo — in fact, the entire ramshackle 2016 election has been chock-full of malodorous surprises — but when it comes to Clinton's numerous flaws and resounding electoral failure, the culprit sure doesn't seem to be sexism.

Democrats would prefer we believe otherwise. In the closing weeks of the campaign, President Barack Obama bemoaned the nation's latent misogyny. "There's a reason we haven't had a woman president," he told an Ohio rally. "Hillary Clinton is consistently treated differently than just about any other candidate I see out there." On Nov. 4, former President Bill Clinton chimed in: "I know there's a bunch of guys that are upset about having a woman president. They just don't want to 'fess up to it."

Over the course of the campaign, Hillary Clinton has played the woman card to the hilt — sometimes literally, dispensing tongue-in-cheek "woman cards" to fans, friends and supporters. "If I'm playing the woman card," she regularly declared at campaign rallies, "THEN DEAL ME IN!" For election night, Team Clinton even carefully chose the Javits Center— that "unglamorous glass fortress on Manhattan's West Side," as The New York Times called it — so that Clinton could declare victory under a literal glass ceiling.

As an aside, when you think about it, this is actually kind of weird. What on Earth was the Clinton camp planning to do to that poor glass ceiling when they won? Yell at it? Sit in a circle and try to levitate it, like hippies used to do to the Pentagon? Give everyone in the audience hard hats, ladders and hammers, hope for the best, and watch the resulting glass-shard shower of terror? (CNN reported that the actual Clinton plan involved using cannons filled with confetti designed to look like shattered glass. Ho-hum. Like that would fool anyone. The ceiling would still be there!)

In the end, America never witnessed the potentially goofy endgame of this half-baked political metaphor. The glass ceiling remains unbroken, at least when it comes to the American presidency. (Women like the late Margaret Thatcher, who won the role of British prime minister almost 30 years ago, must be wearily rolling their eyes from up above.) Hopefully, in the future, we will leave the presidential ceiling cracking for a far superior candidate.

There are many reasons for Clinton's loss: obvious corruption, lockstep leftism, disastrous health care prescriptions, abortion fanaticism and basic incompetence are just a few. But her loss might best be summed up in a September video address she gave to the Laborers' International Union of North America. After bashing right-to-work measures allowing freedom from unions, Clinton stared at the camera, suddenly irate. "Now, having said all this," she bellowed, head bobbing, appearing as though she wanted to throttle the entire world, "why aren't I 50 points ahead, you might ask?"

Oh dear. Why indeed? It was a question that answered itself, and a moment that, for obvious reasons, went viral. You recognized that it eerily resembled a famous scene, if you've seen the movie "Office Space," where a terrified worker wildly shouts at downsizing consultants about how good he is with people.

Sexism certainly exists, but to blame it for Clinton's loss — the failed candidacy of an ossified political fixture with enough toxic baggage to crush 17 glass ceilings — is absurd. In the Rorschach test of life, some people will always see sexism lurking around every corner, hysterically labeling each slight as a sign of eternal misogyny. It must be an exhausting way to live. Some would argue that it helped fuel the backlash that brought us Donald Trump."


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Over the course of the campaign, Hillary Clinton has played the woman card to the hilt — sometimes literally, dispensing tongue-in-cheek "woman cards" to fans, friends and supporters. "If I'm playing the woman card," she regularly declared at campaign rallies, "THEN DEAL ME IN!" For election night, Team Clinton even carefully chose the Javits Center— that "unglamorous glass fortress on Manhattan's West Side," as The New York Times called it — so that Clinton could declare victory under a literal glass ceiling.

As an aside, when you think about it, this is actually kind of weird. What on Earth was the Clinton camp planning to do to that poor glass ceiling when they won? Yell at it? Sit in a circle and try to levitate it, like hippies used to do to the Pentagon? Give everyone in the audience hard hats, ladders and hammers, hope for the best, and watch the resulting glass-shard shower of terror? (CNN reported that the actual Clinton plan involved using cannons filled with confetti designed to look like shattered glass. Ho-hum. Like that would fool anyone. The ceiling would still be there!)


God all these people were the biggest fucking herbs this whole time.

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... Clinton stared at the camera, suddenly irate. "Now, having said all this," she bellowed, head bobbing, appearing as though she wanted to throttle the entire world, "why aren't I 50 points ahead, you might ask?"

Oh dear. Why indeed? It was a question that answered itself, and a moment that, for obvious reasons, went viral. You recognized that it eerily resembled a famous scene, if you've seen the movie "Office Space," where a terrified worker wildly shouts at downsizing consultants about how good he is with people.


:lol: :lol:

I deal with the goddamned citizenry so the Pentagon doesn't have to! I have Presidential Skills! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?

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Why, are you in her closet?

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I was out last night with my wife and two other couples. One of the couples was straight and the other was two gay men. Inevitably the conversation turned to the election. I think it's pretty safe to assume that there wasn't a Trump voter at the table. At least two of us have advanced degrees and I believe everyone earns at least six figures per year.

I kept quiet for the most part, but I was really struck by the naked elitism espoused by these people. A statement was actually made that, "I don't want to take away these people's votes, but..." One of the guys said, "And these people just voted against their own interests!" When the whole "racist, sexist, homophobic" thing came up I asked how Trump could have possibly won without some people who had voted for Obama voting for him. Everyone knew that was true but they rolled right past it because it doesn't fit the narrative. The funniest thing was one of the gay dudes said he likes to listen to Rachel Maddow because she is even-handed and gives all perspectives.

My wife is definitely of this crowd, although her closest friend is very conservative. This conservative friend is very smart, but her liberal girlfriends simply dismiss her politics the way Nas does, basically by saying, "It ain't 1956." I honestly don't think my wife knows a blue collar worker. Certainly not anyone she would regularly talk to. I'm sure that goes for most of her friends too.

I'll give my wife credit here though. When we left she acknowledged how pompous and elitist the conversation had been and thanked me for exposing her to rural people through horse racing. As a city kid, my own impulse was to dismiss these people as ignorant toothless hillbillies. But when I started doing business with farmers, I realized in a hurry that there were plenty of times when I was the second shrewdest guy in the transaction. You can be as condescending as you want, but I'm guessing if shit broke down and there were no more Mariano's and Jewel most of these liberals couldn't figure out how to feed themselves.

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I was out last night with my wife and two other couples. One of the couples was straight and the other was two gay men. Inevitably the conversation turned to the election. I think it's pretty safe to assume that there wasn't a Trump voter at the table. At least two of us have advanced degrees and I believe everyone earns at least six figures per year.

I kept quiet for the most part, but I was really struck by the naked elitism espoused by these people. A statement was actually made that, "I don't want to take away these people's votes, but..." One of the guys said, "And these people just voted against their own interests!" When the whole "racist, sexist, homophobic" thing came up I asked how Trump could have possibly won without some people who had voted for Obama voting for him. Everyone knew that was true but they rolled right past it because it doesn't fit the narrative. The funniest thing was one of the gay dudes said he likes to listen to Rachel Maddow because she is even-handed and gives all perspectives.

My wife is definitely of this crowd, although her closest friend is very conservative. This conservative friend is very smart, but her liberal girlfriends simply dismiss her politics the way Nas does, basically by saying, "It ain't 1956." I honestly don't think my wife knows a blue collar worker. Certainly not anyone she would regularly talk to. I'm sure that goes for most of her friends too.

I'll give my wife credit here though. When we left she acknowledged how pompous and elitist the conversation had been and thanked me for exposing her to rural people through horse racing. As a city kid, my own impulse was to dismiss these people as ignorant toothless hillbillies. But when I started doing business with farmers, I realized in a hurry that there were plenty of times when I was the second shrewdest guy in the transaction. You can be as condescending as you want, but I'm guessing if shit broke down and there were no more Mariano's and Jewel most of these liberals couldn't figure out how to feed themselves.


I do think that there was a strong racist, bigoted element to the whole Trump support system apparatus. How much I don't know. Can I put a percentage on it? No
He kicked his campaign off by talking about a wall. He stereotyped Mexicans by calling them rapists and drug dealers. He followed it up by talking about banning all Muslims. Later he stereptyped blacks by basically saying that they all were fucked up. We can't and shouldn't ignore this because he won and people feel the need to put a positive spin on it.

His support never wavered after each and every incendiary comment. Another thing. One thing that I know about racism is that virtually no one ever admits that they are racist. People will admit that racism exists rather freely but they are loathe to admit it during individual instances. They surely will never admit that they themselves are racists. It is simply easier to make the case that they are economically frustrated. Blacks in this country have been economically frustrated for centuries and whenever they express it they have been referred to as "whiners". The word whiner has now been replaced with words like "frustrations" and "anxieties".

Lastly it's difficult to make the argument that they are tired of elitism after just voting for one. Donald Trump Flies around in private jets, attended the Wharton Business school, frequently brags about how much money he has and grew up wealthy. He can no more identify with the White Working Class than the man on the moon. This notion that he tapped into something with the white working class is foolishness.

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This notion that he tapped into something with the white working class is foolishness.


:lol: How do you think he won?

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This notion that he tapped into something with the white working class is foolishness.


:lol: How do you think he won?


By tapping into something else.

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This notion that he tapped into something with the white working class is foolishness.


:lol: How do you think he won?


Is it sustainable? Unless he and the Republicans can accomplish what MANY of us don't think they can it's unlikely. I do know that people have the tendency to cling to decisions they've made regardless of how bad it is but I think his "failure" would drive MANY away from him.

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This notion that he tapped into something with the white working class is foolishness.


:lol: How do you think he won?


Is it sustainable? Unless he and the Republicans can accomplish what MANY of us don't think they can it's unlikely. I do know that people have the tendency to cling to decisions they've made regardless of how bad it is but I think his "failure" would drive MANY away from him.


Of course it's not sustainable. I don't even think it's sustainable if he did everything "right" and was a great president ( :lol: ). It's hard for the same party to win more than twice in a row. Enough people are always going to be unhappy.

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This is the other notion that needs to be debunked. Where is it etched in stone that a person can't be racist simply because they are a member of the "white working class". I know that there is a need to extoll the virtues of this particular group but a quick history examination will clear this up. This is not meant indict all members either before we play the generalization game.

The white working class has historically denied minorities entry into working class occupations. Working class unions have been among the biggest perpetrators of bigotry and racism. Look at any Fire Dept, Construction site, Streets and Sanitation truck and tell me what you see working on it. You think this is by accident? You can go up and down the line and if it is a working class job chances are it will be manned by Whites. Even in your "urban" areas this will be the case.

Blacks have lived with this reality for decades also and their anxieties and frustrations have been mostly ignored. When Affirmative Action was installed as a means of combating discrimination it was the White Working Class among others that vehemently complained about it. Referred to it as "reverse discrimination". This election has taken the scab off of a lot of things that have frankly laid dormant for decades. It will be interesting to see how it plays out but for too long groups like the tea party and alt right have had a monopoly on being agitated. Now there will be pushback from the other side.

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JORR is still trying to attack MANY who refused to vote for Trump because it isn't 1956 and they believe America is better.

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This is the other notion that needs to be debunked. Where is it etched in stone that a person can't be racist simply because they are a member of the "white working class". I know that there is a need to extoll the virtues of this particular group but a quick history examination will clear this up. This is not meant indict all members either before we play the generalization game.

The white working class has historically denied minorities entry into working class occupations. Working class unions have been among the biggest perpetrators of bigotry and racism. Look at any Fire Dept, Construction site, Streets and Sanitation truck and tell me what you see working on it. You think this is by accident? You can go up and down the line and if it is a working class job chances are it will be manned by Whites. Even in your "urban" areas this will be the case.

Blacks have lived with this reality for decades also and their anxieties and frustrations have been mostly ignored. When Affirmative Action was installed as a means of combating discrimination it was the White Working Class among others that vehemently complained about it. Referred to it as "reverse discrimination". This election has taken the scab off of a lot of things that have frankly laid dormant for decades. It will be interesting to see how it plays out but for too long groups like the tea party and alt right have had a monopoly on being agitated. Now there will be pushback from the other side.


Dude, stop okay. Your last two posts in this thread are exactly the type of thinking that got Trump elected. Everyone is racist to a degree but they don't want it drilled into themselves 24/7. Add into the fact that it seems to be a one sided street that ONLY while middle class Americans are racist is tiring to them. For the most part those rural communities give to charities to help the less fortunate, they volunteer to things like Habitat for Humanity. But when people like you constantly berate them telling them they are shit and bad and that no matter how much they give and and give they are still KKK deep down. You know what you are going to eventually have them go,fuck it. You want to see how much of an asshole I can be,here hold my beer and let me show you. Blacks have not been largely ignored. There are program after program to help them .There is money poured into the communities . The problem is the usual a) level of corruption when there is any amount of money poorly administered by the government and b) Sorry but the entire Black culture that glorifies the thug life and ridicules the hard worker.

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It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!

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It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!


What?
You can find a percentage of voters for any candidate/party that fit whatever narrative you are trying to build. It would be just as fair or unfair to do the same with Democratic voters of previous elections.

If it is ok to stereotype all Trump voters then it is ok to stereotype other voters in other elections.

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