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This is the other notion that needs to be debunked. Where is it etched in stone that a person can't be racist simply because they are a member of the "white working class". I know that there is a need to extoll the virtues of this particular group but a quick history examination will clear this up. This is not meant indict all members either before we play the generalization game.

The white working class has historically denied minorities entry into working class occupations. Working class unions have been among the biggest perpetrators of bigotry and racism. Look at any Fire Dept, Construction site, Streets and Sanitation truck and tell me what you see working on it. You think this is by accident? You can go up and down the line and if it is a working class job chances are it will be manned by Whites. Even in your "urban" areas this will be the case.

Blacks have lived with this reality for decades also and their anxieties and frustrations have been mostly ignored. When Affirmative Action was installed as a means of combating discrimination it was the White Working Class among others that vehemently complained about it. Referred to it as "reverse discrimination". This election has taken the scab off of a lot of things that have frankly laid dormant for decades. It will be interesting to see how it plays out but for too long groups like the tea party and alt right have had a monopoly on being agitated. Now there will be pushback from the other side.


Dude, stop okay. Your last two posts in this thread are exactly the type of thinking that got Trump elected. Everyone is racist to a degree but they don't want it drilled into themselves 24/7. Add into the fact that it seems to be a one sided street that ONLY while middle class Americans are racist is tiring to them. For the most part those rural communities give to charities to help the less fortunate, they volunteer to things like Habitat for Humanity. But when people like you constantly berate them telling them they are shit and bad and that no matter how much they give and and give they are still KKK deep down. You know what you are going to eventually have them go,fuck it. You want to see how much of an asshole I can be,here hold my beer and let me show you. Blacks have not been largely ignored. There are program after program to help them .There is money poured into the communities . The problem is the usual a) level of corruption when there is any amount of money poorly administered by the government and b) Sorry but the entire Black culture that glorifies the thug life and ridicules the hard worker.



As usual you don't have a clue. You are one of the ignorant people that most "elitists" refer to also. The spin that has put on this which suggests that all Trump voters are racists has mostly been mistakenly perpetuated by Trump supporters themselves. I don't know a single person that has stated that. To say that his campaign has not been supported by racists is the other part of the spectrum which needs to be examined.

50 + million people voted for a guy that is both racist in word and in deed. That means that they have little to no problem with racism. It doesn't necessarily make them racists but it strongly suggests that it doesn't bother them. The level of hypocrisy on this is truly interesting too. The same people that attempted to badger and belabor the email point are now among the same ones expecting an African American to excuse Racism.

Whether his supporters are racist or not is beside the point if they voted for one. Trump is a racist and now he is the President.

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It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!


What?
You can find a percentage of voters for any candidate/party that fit whatever narrative you are trying to build. It would be just as fair or unfair to do the same with Democratic voters of previous elections.

If it is ok to stereotype all Trump voters then it is ok to stereotype other voters in other elections.


No one is attempting to stereotype "all" Trump voters either. That is a narrative promoted by Trump voters and supporters. It is done as a way of excusing the racism of a portion of Trump supporters. There is no way to quantify this because if you asked them if they're racists you could pretty much insure that the percentage is less than 2%

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The voters who stayed home from this election are implicitly racist as well

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It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!


What?
You can find a percentage of voters for any candidate/party that fit whatever narrative you are trying to build. It would be just as fair or unfair to do the same with Democratic voters of previous elections.

If it is ok to stereotype all Trump voters then it is ok to stereotype other voters in other elections.


No one is attempting to stereotype "all" Trump voters either. That is a narrative promoted by Trump voters and supporters. It is done as a way of excusing the racism of a portion of Trump supporters. There is no way to quantify this because if you asked them if they're racists you could pretty much insure that the percentage is less than 2%
There are a lot of people saying Trump won because of racist supporters.

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LTG yes you are attempting to stereotype all Trump supporters, you are just trying to dance around it. Come on man. Look at what you are posting. It is hateful and divisive. The exact things you are claiming the other guys to be. So why don't you step away from the computer take a breath and let the guy be sworn in.
HRC was not just about racism, it was about people being fed up with being fucked with. Trump tapped into a feeling that had been growing for a few years just look at Illinois with the election of Rauner. You need some better optics on the situation. Race is not the end all be all for most people in voting. For some yes it is ,for most no not in the least.

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It's patently ridiculous to suggest he didn't have a substantial plurality that aren't. Let's call spades spades...

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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!


What?
You can find a percentage of voters for any candidate/party that fit whatever narrative you are trying to build. It would be just as fair or unfair to do the same with Democratic voters of previous elections.

If it is ok to stereotype all Trump voters then it is ok to stereotype other voters in other elections.


No one is attempting to stereotype "all" Trump voters either. That is a narrative promoted by Trump voters and supporters. It is done as a way of excusing the racism of a portion of Trump supporters. There is no way to quantify this because if you asked them if they're racists you could pretty much insure that the percentage is less than 2%


You are though. You're assuming bad intentions. Hillary Clinton was an objectively bad candidate who ran an objectively bad campaign and you tried to shame those who didn't vote for her and now that she lost you are doubling down instead of learning something.

Let me ask you a couple questions. Do you think there is a "basket of deplorables" in Islam? Do you think Hillary Clinton would ever stand up in a room and suggest such a thing? #NotAllTrumpVoters

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a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back


You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Would you be okay with a president saying he was going to round up all the Jews if he "walked it back" once he was in office?

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It's patently ridiculous to suggest he didn't have a substantial plurality that aren't. Let's call spades spades...


Then you have to be able to say without being called a racist the fact that there are people who vote democrat that want more handouts.

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LTG yes you are attempting to stereotype all Trump supporters, you are just trying to dance around it. Come on man. Look at what you are posting. It is hateful and divisive. The exact things you are claiming the other guys to be. So why don't you step away from the computer take a breath and let the guy be sworn in.
HRC was not just about racism, it was about people being fed up with being fucked with. Trump tapped into a feeling that had been growing for a few years just look at Illinois with the election of Rauner. You need some better optics on the situation. Race is not the end all be all for most people in voting. For some yes it is ,for most no not in the least.


Rauner is a good example on "MANY" levels. Let's look at the hypocrisy involved in all this. Barack Obama was made to disavow Jeremiah Wright because of the implication that he held the same views. How is this any different?

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It's patently ridiculous to suggest he didn't have a substantial plurality that aren't. Let's call spades spades...


Of course the racists voted for Trump. Who else would they have voted for? But the idea that a huge number of racists swept Trump to victory is just wrong. It has to be. I'm sure the racists of America were far more motivated to vote against Obama than they were to vote against Hillary Clinton, yet Obama managed to win twice, and rather easily. Clinton was a bad candidate with a bad campaign.

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LTG yes you are attempting to stereotype all Trump supporters, you are just trying to dance around it. Come on man. Look at what you are posting. It is hateful and divisive. The exact things you are claiming the other guys to be. So why don't you step away from the computer take a breath and let the guy be sworn in.
HRC was not just about racism, it was about people being fed up with being fucked with. Trump tapped into a feeling that had been growing for a few years just look at Illinois with the election of Rauner. You need some better optics on the situation. Race is not the end all be all for most people in voting. For some yes it is ,for most no not in the least.


Rauner is a good example on "MANY" levels. Let's look at the hypocrisy involved in all this. Barack Obama was made to disavow Jeremiah Wright because of the implication that he held the same views. How is this any different?


How does Wright figure into this discussion?

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a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back


You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Would you be okay with a president saying he was going to round up all the Jews if he "walked it back" once he was in office?


"You need both a public and a private position,” Mrs. Clinton said in an April 2013 address. “You just have to sort of figure out how to — getting back to that word, ‘balance’ - how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that’s not just a comment about today.”

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!


What?
You can find a percentage of voters for any candidate/party that fit whatever narrative you are trying to build. It would be just as fair or unfair to do the same with Democratic voters of previous elections.

If it is ok to stereotype all Trump voters then it is ok to stereotype other voters in other elections.


No one is attempting to stereotype "all" Trump voters either. That is a narrative promoted by Trump voters and supporters. It is done as a way of excusing the racism of a portion of Trump supporters. There is no way to quantify this because if you asked them if they're racists you could pretty much insure that the percentage is less than 2%


You are though. You're assuming bad intentions. Hillary Clinton was an objectively bad candidate who ran an objectively bad campaign and you tried to shame those who didn't vote for her and now that she lost you are doubling down instead of learning something.

Let me ask you a couple questions. Do you think there is a "basket of deplorables" in Islam? Do you think Hillary Clinton would ever stand up in a room and suggest such a thing? #NotAllTrumpVoters


I'm not shaming those who didn't vote for her. There are a number of Republicans that have run and will run that will not elicit this response. Trump isn't one of them though. As far as divisive Trump brought that in from the very beginning and people chose to ignore it as they are doing now.

As far as learning something what do you mean? I've always known that the cap about post racial was a joke. This proves it.

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LTG yes you are attempting to stereotype all Trump supporters, you are just trying to dance around it. Come on man. Look at what you are posting. It is hateful and divisive. The exact things you are claiming the other guys to be. So why don't you step away from the computer take a breath and let the guy be sworn in.
HRC was not just about racism, it was about people being fed up with being fucked with. Trump tapped into a feeling that had been growing for a few years just look at Illinois with the election of Rauner. You need some better optics on the situation. Race is not the end all be all for most people in voting. For some yes it is ,for most no not in the least.


Rauner is a good example on "MANY" levels. Let's look at the hypocrisy involved in all this. Barack Obama was made to disavow Jeremiah Wright because of the implication that he held the same views. How is this any different?


How does Wright figure into this discussion?


Very easily when you think about it.

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It's patently ridiculous to suggest he didn't have a substantial plurality that aren't. Let's call spades spades...


Of course the racists voted for Trump. Who else would they have voted for? But the idea that a huge number of racists swept Trump to victory is just wrong. It has to be. I'm sure the racists of America were far more motivated to vote against Obama than they were to vote against Hillary Clinton, yet Obama managed to win twice, and rather easily. Clinton was a bad candidate with a bad campaign.


Why wasn't Trump's racism a disqualifier?

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a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back


You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Would you be okay with a president saying he was going to round up all the Jews if he "walked it back" once he was in office?
I wasn't ok with many of the things Trump said either. However, Trump did not go that far with anything he said. The things he said were more stupid, uninformed, or unworkable.

Here is a good example. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/

What he said was dumb and somewhat hard to understand but he seems to have always been talking about immigrants and refugees and not all Muslims. Walking that back is a lot different than walking back concentration camps.

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It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!


What?
You can find a percentage of voters for any candidate/party that fit whatever narrative you are trying to build. It would be just as fair or unfair to do the same with Democratic voters of previous elections.

If it is ok to stereotype all Trump voters then it is ok to stereotype other voters in other elections.


He ran a campaign of division that hasn't been seen nationally in decades. He made people who look like me, Hispanics, Muslims, gays, the disabled, women and people who believe in deceny the enemy. We all saw this. People who voted for Trump agreed with him or they excused these things for other reasons. Comparing these people to the voters of Obama or any president in the past 30 years is bullshit.

Now you and MANY others are tying yourselves into knots trying to excuse Trump's actions and rhetoric. You're claiming people are stereotyping all Trump's supporters as racists and bigots and that's complete bullshit. LTG hasn't even done that. You're also claiming he didn't mean these awful things even though he just made Steve "Alt Right" Bannon his top adviser. #WelcomeBack1956

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a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back


You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Would you be okay with a president saying he was going to round up all the Jews if he "walked it back" once he was in office?


"You need both a public and a private position,” Mrs. Clinton said in an April 2013 address. “You just have to sort of figure out how to — getting back to that word, ‘balance’ - how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that’s not just a comment about today.”


First, this is not about Clinton. I'm not sure why she keeps coming up.

Second, her argument is the opposite. She's stating that you give politically expedient answers in public and save the ones you don't want to share for private. If that's what Trump is doing, God help us.

Do you feel that he should be excused because he's "walking back" the crazy things he said? Couldn't we say that he is basically reneging on his campaign message?

No matter what Trump does in his presidency, nothing will ever excuse the things he said during the campaign in my mind. I can't simply justify everything he does because Hillary Clinton is "bad."

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It's patently ridiculous to suggest he didn't have a substantial plurality that aren't. Let's call spades spades...


Of course the racists voted for Trump. Who else would they have voted for? But the idea that a huge number of racists swept Trump to victory is just wrong. It has to be. I'm sure the racists of America were far more motivated to vote against Obama than they were to vote against Hillary Clinton, yet Obama managed to win twice, and rather easily. Clinton was a bad candidate with a bad campaign.


Amazing how a fair use of guilt by association strikes such a nerve in MANY

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a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back


You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Would you be okay with a president saying he was going to round up all the Jews if he "walked it back" once he was in office?


"You need both a public and a private position,” Mrs. Clinton said in an April 2013 address. “You just have to sort of figure out how to — getting back to that word, ‘balance’ - how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that’s not just a comment about today.”


First, this is not about Clinton. I'm not sure why she keeps coming up.

Second, her argument is the opposite. She's stating that you give politically expedient answers in public and save the ones you don't want to share for private. If that's what Trump is doing, God help us.

Do you feel that he should be excused because he's "walking back" the crazy things he said? Couldn't we say that he is basically reneging on his campaign message?

No matter what Trump does in his presidency, nothing will ever excuse the things he said during the campaign in my mind. I can't simply justify everything he does because Hillary Clinton is "bad."


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a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back


You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Would you be okay with a president saying he was going to round up all the Jews if he "walked it back" once he was in office?
I wasn't ok with many of the things Trump said either. However, Trump did not go that far with anything he said. The things he said were more stupid, uninformed, or unworkable.

Here is a good example. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/

What he said was dumb and somewhat hard to understand but he seems to have always been talking about immigrants and refugees and not all Muslims. Walking that back is a lot different than walking back concentration camps.


Okay, I would that what he said wasn't as bad. However, we can't simply dismiss what he said because he "walked it back." I certainly don't expect Mexicans or Muslims or some of the people who would be directly impacted by his rhetoric to suddenly feel at ease because it seems like the guy won't deliver on a lot of what he said. He's still president for the next four years.

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I was stunned to hear that he has to hire 4200 people in the next 90 days..kinda scary, the reason we have a reality TV clown in the white house is the DNC and Hillary being so unlikable... Bernie would mop the floor with Trump, Hillary was always neck and neck with him.

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He ran a campaign of division that hasn't been seen nationally in decades. He made people who look like me, Hispanics, Muslims, gays, the disabled, women and people who believe in deceny the enemy. We all saw this. People who voted for Trump agreed with him or they excused these things for other reasons. Comparing these people to the voters of Obama or any president in the past 30 years is bullshit.
The demographics of who voted for him don't really match up with this line of thinking though. Mitt Romney did much worse with minorities and a good percentage of women still voted for Trump. That is the point.
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Now you and MANY others are tying yourselves into knots trying to excuse Trump's actions and rhetoric. You're claiming people are stereotyping all Trump's supporters as racists and bigots and that's complete bullshit. LTG hasn't even done that. You're also claiming he didn't mean these awful things even though he just made Steve "Alt Right" Bannon his top adviser. #WelcomeBack1956
I'm not excusing any actions. What he said was dumb and I didn't want him to win.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:44 am 
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It's amazing that all it took was a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back to make it open season for stereotyping everyone who voted for him.

I guess a lot of people owe some apologies to those who stereotyped Obama voters as lazy people who just wanted government handouts and for the government to control their lives. There are a lot of Democrats who do vote for Democrats because they want government handouts. I guess that means that is why Democrats win elections!


What?
You can find a percentage of voters for any candidate/party that fit whatever narrative you are trying to build. It would be just as fair or unfair to do the same with Democratic voters of previous elections.

If it is ok to stereotype all Trump voters then it is ok to stereotype other voters in other elections.


No one is attempting to stereotype "all" Trump voters either. That is a narrative promoted by Trump voters and supporters. It is done as a way of excusing the racism of a portion of Trump supporters. There is no way to quantify this because if you asked them if they're racists you could pretty much insure that the percentage is less than 2%


You are though. You're assuming bad intentions. Hillary Clinton was an objectively bad candidate who ran an objectively bad campaign and you tried to shame those who didn't vote for her and now that she lost you are doubling down instead of learning something.

Let me ask you a couple questions. Do you think there is a "basket of deplorables" in Islam? Do you think Hillary Clinton would ever stand up in a room and suggest such a thing? #NotAllTrumpVoters


I'm not shaming those who didn't vote for her. There are a number of Republicans that have run and will run that will not elicit this response. Trump isn't one of them though. As far as divisive Trump brought that in from the very beginning and people chose to ignore it as they are doing now.

As far as learning something what do you mean? I've always known that the cap about post racial was a joke. This proves it.


Right. The election of Obama didn't mean America was suddenly "post-racial". And the election of Trump doesn't make America a nation of virulent racists either.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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Okay, I would that what he said wasn't as bad. However, we can't simply dismiss what he said because he "walked it back." I certainly don't expect Mexicans or Muslims or some of the people who would be directly impacted by his rhetoric to suddenly feel at ease because it seems like the guy won't deliver on a lot of what he said. He's still president for the next four years.
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt just like I would any President. He's already going away from a lot of his campaign rhetoric. If he continues to do that then I won't worry so much about the dumb things he said during the campaign.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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LTG yes you are attempting to stereotype all Trump supporters, you are just trying to dance around it. Come on man. Look at what you are posting. It is hateful and divisive. The exact things you are claiming the other guys to be. So why don't you step away from the computer take a breath and let the guy be sworn in.
HRC was not just about racism, it was about people being fed up with being fucked with. Trump tapped into a feeling that had been growing for a few years just look at Illinois with the election of Rauner. You need some better optics on the situation. Race is not the end all be all for most people in voting. For some yes it is ,for most no not in the least.


Isn't it interesting how the guy that has "danced" around his support of Trump for months is now telling someone what they really think and feel?

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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a "Republican" President and a few dumb things he said that he has already walked back


You keep saying this, but it makes no sense. Would you be okay with a president saying he was going to round up all the Jews if he "walked it back" once he was in office?


"You need both a public and a private position,” Mrs. Clinton said in an April 2013 address. “You just have to sort of figure out how to — getting back to that word, ‘balance’ - how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that’s not just a comment about today.”


Do you know the context of that statement? It was describing how President Lincoln or anyone who has sold anything gets it done by appealing to the self interest of others. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

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Nas, I bet you are kicking yourself in the nuts for not giving Bernie a fair shake..ain't ya

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Let me put it this way. If race and gender were the deciding factors in this election then Hillary would be moving in the White House.

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