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Used to think about taking one of those, until I heard (& was scared off by the idea) that it was extreme Mormon related companies at the forefront of them.

It's always funny to me how many Blacks have high Asian percentages(think migrant workers of the late 19th Century) and when told that, their next remark is invariably "the family has always said that there is a lot of Indian blood (Native American) in our family" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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God is the giver of all rights because he has created all the people in the world.
He did a pretty horrible job then.

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I see the Middle Kingdom between Heaven and Earth
Like the Chinese call the country of their birth
We all figure that our homes are set above
Other people than the ones we know and love
In every place with a name
They play the same territorial game
Hiding behind the lines
Sending up warning signs

The whole wide world
An endless universe
Yet we keep looking through
The eyeglass in reverse
Don't feed the people
But we feed the machines
Can't really feel
What international means
In different circles
We keep holding our ground
Indifferent circles
We keep spinning round and round

We see so many tribes -- overrun and undermined
While their invaders dream of lands they've left behind
Better people -- better food -- and better beer
Why move around the world when Eden was so near?
The bosses get talking so tough
And if that wasn't evil enough
We get the drunken and passionate pride
Of the citizens along for the ride

They shoot without shame
In the name of a piece of dirt
For a change of accent
Or the color of your shirt
Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
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Where do our rights come from as "citizens of the world"? A world without borders is great in theory.


God is the giver of all rights because he has created all the people in the world. Unfortunately, when God is not placed as the foundation of a society inevitably the state or the person with the most power takes over as the giver of rights to the people. All of the most free countries in the world have a history of Christianity or Judeo-Christian principles. Prior to the founding of the United States the dictator with the most pull had control over people and their rights. The founders of this country looked to God as the source of their rights rather than the state. Their country was founded on the principle that the president would not dictate religious matters to the people as the King of England did.

The problem for a lot of people in the world is that they live in countries where there has been no American Revolution and there is no Constitution or Bill of Rights that protects even people's right to worship. Not only that but a lot of people are idealistic in the thinking that they can have a truly free country without Christianity at its center. Communism sounds great until you put humans in the equation and you have dictators who are not bound by any law. You cannot found a society about atheism either because inevitably the leader of the state of the state replaces God. There is nothing in Islam, atheism, communism, socialism or any other belief system other than Christianity that has any foundation for things like equality. If people are fundamentally all made in the image of God it gives them a certain dignity that no tyrant can take away. It's very hard to say that anything is evil without the existence of God. Because if God does not exist then there is no basis for calling anything "good" or anything "evil."


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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Where do our rights come from as "citizens of the world"? A world without borders is great in theory.


God is the giver of all rights because he has created all the people in the world. Unfortunately, when God is not placed as the foundation of a society inevitably the state or the person with the most power takes over as the giver of rights to the people. All of the most free countries in the world have a history of Christianity or Judeo-Christian principles. Prior to the founding of the United States the dictator with the most pull had control over people and their rights. The founders of this country looked to God as the source of their rights rather than the state. Their country was founded on the principle that the president would not dictate religious matters to the people as the King of England did.

The problem for a lot of people in the world is that they live in countries where there has been no American Revolution and there is no Constitution or Bill of Rights that protects even people's right to worship. Not only that but a lot of people are idealistic in the thinking that they can have a truly free country without Christianity at its center. Communism sounds great until you put humans in the equation and you have dictators who are not bound by any law. You cannot found a society about atheism either because inevitably the leader of the state of the state replaces God. There is nothing in Islam, atheism, communism, socialism or any other belief system other than Christianity that has any foundation for things like equality. If people are fundamentally all made in the image of God it gives them a certain dignity that no tyrant can take away. It's very hard to say that anything is evil without the existence of God. Because if God does not exist then there is no basis for calling anything "good" or anything "evil."


So absurd.


Where do you trace the rights of human freedom? If you believe in human equality of any kind what is your basis for saying that people should be considered equal under the law? What is the moral absolute upon which your belief system is built? And you can't say "there are no absolutes," because that is an "absolute."

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Where do our rights come from as "citizens of the world"? A world without borders is great in theory.


God is the giver of all rights because he has created all the people in the world. Unfortunately, when God is not placed as the foundation of a society inevitably the state or the person with the most power takes over as the giver of rights to the people. All of the most free countries in the world have a history of Christianity or Judeo-Christian principles. Prior to the founding of the United States the dictator with the most pull had control over people and their rights. The founders of this country looked to God as the source of their rights rather than the state. Their country was founded on the principle that the president would not dictate religious matters to the people as the King of England did.

The problem for a lot of people in the world is that they live in countries where there has been no American Revolution and there is no Constitution or Bill of Rights that protects even people's right to worship. Not only that but a lot of people are idealistic in the thinking that they can have a truly free country without Christianity at its center. Communism sounds great until you put humans in the equation and you have dictators who are not bound by any law. You cannot found a society about atheism either because inevitably the leader of the state of the state replaces God. There is nothing in Islam, atheism, communism, socialism or any other belief system other than Christianity that has any foundation for things like equality. If people are fundamentally all made in the image of God it gives them a certain dignity that no tyrant can take away. It's very hard to say that anything is evil without the existence of God. Because if God does not exist then there is no basis for calling anything "good" or anything "evil."


The Koran
The Torah
The Book of Mormon

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This Drake mult- I just assumed he was someone who popped up in the wake of the Adam LaRoche episode. That would make some sense with his little religious spiel here. But is he really a mash up of Jake Arrieta, Adam LaRoche and the son Drake?

And why do I even care......

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Where do our rights come from as "citizens of the world"? A world without borders is great in theory.


God is the giver of all rights because he has created all the people in the world. Unfortunately, when God is not placed as the foundation of a society inevitably the state or the person with the most power takes over as the giver of rights to the people. All of the most free countries in the world have a history of Christianity or Judeo-Christian principles. Prior to the founding of the United States the dictator with the most pull had control over people and their rights. The founders of this country looked to God as the source of their rights rather than the state. Their country was founded on the principle that the president would not dictate religious matters to the people as the King of England did.

The problem for a lot of people in the world is that they live in countries where there has been no American Revolution and there is no Constitution or Bill of Rights that protects even people's right to worship. Not only that but a lot of people are idealistic in the thinking that they can have a truly free country without Christianity at its center. Communism sounds great until you put humans in the equation and you have dictators who are not bound by any law. You cannot found a society about atheism either because inevitably the leader of the state of the state replaces God. There is nothing in Islam, atheism, communism, socialism or any other belief system other than Christianity that has any foundation for things like equality. If people are fundamentally all made in the image of God it gives them a certain dignity that no tyrant can take away. It's very hard to say that anything is evil without the existence of God. Because if God does not exist then there is no basis for calling anything "good" or anything "evil."


So absurd.


Where do you trace the rights of human freedom? If you believe in human equality of any kind what is your basis for saying that people should be considered equal under the law? What is the moral absolute upon which your belief system is built? And you can't say "there are no absolutes," because that is an "absolute."


We create our system of laws based upon a number of things - our behavior, our desire to reproduce and not die, and our innate desire to do as we choose. As such, we at least attempt to create laws and a society that best suits these things. I don't believe it is a "natural right." It is a right that is desirable, and as a result, we have a Constitution which protects such things. If these were divine rights given by God, why do we need to make laws to enforce them? And why have a great deal of Americans not had rights? Was God just toying with them?

Also, calling things "good" and "evil" is a weak human desire to make the universe simpler than it actually is. If someone commits murder, I am against it because I don't want a loved one or me to be a victim of said murder. It is entirely self-serving. I don't really care whether it is "evil."

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This Drake mult- I just assumed he was someone who popped up in the wake of the Adam LaRoche episode. That would make some sense with his little religious spiel here. But is he really a mash up of Jake Arrieta, Adam LaRoche and the son Drake?

And why do I even care......


He's Mini Ditka.

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I think Drake LaRrieta should be on a fanatics watchlist.

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This Drake mult- I just assumed he was someone who popped up in the wake of the Adam LaRoche episode. That would make some sense with his little religious spiel here. But is he really a mash up of Jake Arrieta, Adam LaRoche and the son Drake?

And why do I even care......


He's Mini Ditka.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyaEQEmt5ls


Used to think about taking one of those, until I heard (& was scared off by the idea) that it was extreme Mormon related companies at the forefront of them.

It's always funny to me how many Blacks have high Asian percentages(think migrant workers of the late 19th Century) and when told that, their next remark is invariably "the family has always said that there is a lot of Indian blood (Native American) in our family" :lol: :lol: :lol:


My former father-in-law was adopted. His adoptive parents were of Irish descent. My father-in-law always assumed that his parents adopted an Irish baby, someone with ancestry like their own. At some point he decided to look into his adoption records. He found that his biological parents both had Polish surnames. We were working together and I came in and he was really depressed. I asked him what was wrong and he said, "I'm a Polack. Can you believe it?" Later I heard him tell somebody, "I'm Polish but I was raised Irish." :lol: So fucking ridiculous.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyaEQEmt5ls


Used to think about taking one of those, until I heard (& was scared off by the idea) that it was extreme Mormon related companies at the forefront of them.

It's always funny to me how many Blacks have high Asian percentages(think migrant workers of the late 19th Century) and when told that, their next remark is invariably "the family has always said that there is a lot of Indian blood (Native American) in our family" :lol: :lol: :lol:


My former father-in-law was adopted. His adoptive parents were of Irish descent. My father-in-law always assumed that his parents adopted an Irish baby, someone with ancestry like their own. At some point he decided to look into his adoption records. He found that his biological parents both had Polish surnames. We were working together and I came in and he was really depressed. I asked him what was wrong and he said, "I'm a Polack. Can you believe it?" Later I heard him tell somebody, "I'm Polish but I was raised Irish." :lol: So fucking ridiculous.


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Where do you trace the rights of human freedom? If you believe in human equality of any kind what is your basis for saying that people should be considered equal under the law? What is the moral absolute upon which your belief system is built? And you can't say "there are no absolutes," because that is an "absolute."
The problem is that it predates the Bible you probably think is correct, and the Bible did not preach equality for all either.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyaEQEmt5ls


Used to think about taking one of those, until I heard (& was scared off by the idea) that it was extreme Mormon related companies at the forefront of them.

It's always funny to me how many Blacks have high Asian percentages(think migrant workers of the late 19th Century) and when told that, their next remark is invariably "the family has always said that there is a lot of Indian blood (Native American) in our family" :lol: :lol: :lol:


My former father-in-law was adopted. His adoptive parents were of Irish descent. My father-in-law always assumed that his parents adopted an Irish baby, someone with ancestry like their own. At some point he decided to look into his adoption records. He found that his biological parents both had Polish surnames. We were working together and I came in and he was really depressed. I asked him what was wrong and he said, "I'm a Polack. Can you believe it?" Later I heard him tell somebody, "I'm Polish but I was raised Irish." :lol: So fucking ridiculous.


Waiting on Dolphin.... :lol:


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Since nations often settle their differences via war, I'd say that, like the sport of football, it is inherently evil.


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Nationalism is a good thing. It has done a good job of taking religion out of politics.

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
God is the giver of all rights because he has created all the people in the world.
Prove it.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
God is the giver of all rights because he has created all the people in the world.
Prove it.

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Good point. Let me amend. Prove it without using a Fiction book as a source.

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Good point. Let me amend. Prove it without using a Fiction book as a source.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
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Where do our rights come from as "citizens of the world"? A world without borders is great in theory.


God is the giver of all rights because he has created all the people in the world. Unfortunately, when God is not placed as the foundation of a society inevitably the state or the person with the most power takes over as the giver of rights to the people. All of the most free countries in the world have a history of Christianity or Judeo-Christian principles. Prior to the founding of the United States the dictator with the most pull had control over people and their rights. The founders of this country looked to God as the source of their rights rather than the state. Their country was founded on the principle that the president would not dictate religious matters to the people as the King of England did.

The problem for a lot of people in the world is that they live in countries where there has been no American Revolution and there is no Constitution or Bill of Rights that protects even people's right to worship. Not only that but a lot of people are idealistic in the thinking that they can have a truly free country without Christianity at its center. Communism sounds great until you put humans in the equation and you have dictators who are not bound by any law. You cannot found a society about atheism either because inevitably the leader of the state of the state replaces God. There is nothing in Islam, atheism, communism, socialism or any other belief system other than Christianity that has any foundation for things like equality. If people are fundamentally all made in the image of God it gives them a certain dignity that no tyrant can take away. It's very hard to say that anything is evil without the existence of God. Because if God does not exist then there is no basis for calling anything "good" or anything "evil."


So absurd.


Where do you trace the rights of human freedom? If you believe in human equality of any kind what is your basis for saying that people should be considered equal under the law? What is the moral absolute upon which your belief system is built? And you can't say "there are no absolutes," because that is an "absolute."

Even if God does exist, there is not a scintilla of evidence to support it, so leave him out of this.

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It doesn't matter if God exists. It matters that the founding fathers "thought" he exists. Christian thought is entwined with human rights & liberty concepts that emerged in western europe. Obviously the "freest" countries on earth we formerly Christian nations.

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It doesn't matter if God exists. It matters that the founding fathers "thought" he exists. Christian thought is entwined with human rights & liberty concepts that emerged in western europe. Obviously the "freest" countries on earth we formerly Christian nations.
That is only true if you pick and choose from religion. Gay marriage and contraceptive health would be good examples of how religion has slowed human rights and liberty. Slavery is also a concept that is supported in the Bible. Also, considering our country specifically wanted to separate church and state it really isn't a compelling argument to use our country as the example.

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OK, show me all the "free" countries that were not Christian.

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It doesn't matter if God exists. It matters that the founding fathers "thought" he exists. Christian thought is entwined with human rights & liberty concepts that emerged in western europe. Obviously the "freest" countries on earth we formerly Christian nations.



I look at it from a more abstract perspective. Man is endowed by his Creator simply means man is born with inalienable rights. It's not necessary to believe in a sentient "God" controlling the universe to believe all men have rights.

Unfortunately, the globe isn't going to stand up for those rights even if we all agree we have them. It's only the structure of nations that allows these rights to exist (or not) in a practical sense.

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Christian churches/pastors where HUGE in the civil rights movement. Go back to before the civil war. John Brown and all those guys were Christians!

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Christian churches/pastors where HUGE in the civil rights movement. Go back to before the civil war. John Brown and all those guys were Christians!

John Brown? The murderer?

That sounds very christian.

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Christian churches/pastors where HUGE in the civil rights movement. Go back to before the civil war. John Brown and all those guys were Christians!

John Brown? The murderer?

That sounds very christian.


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Christian churches/pastors where HUGE in the civil rights movement. Go back to before the civil war. John Brown and all those guys were Christians!

John Brown? The murderer?

That sounds very christian.


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