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Percentage of racist voters who voted for Trump or percentage of Trump voters who are racist?

Percentage of Trump voters who are racist


5%?


I'd go 35-40% of his total.

The Southern Strategy worked there and here, and while it's racial pandering occasionally was cloaked in code words, dazzling "urbanites" and now (illegal) immigrants were/are always trusty bogeymen. Like it or not talking about "those people" who "took" blue/no collar jobs or were exclusively portrayed as welfare queens (even though it better describes the South) was draped in bs populism and race. Their blatant hypocrisy continually bears this out.


Willie Horton and the Welfare Queens


I still see the hapless Mike Dukakis' bobble head protruding from that tank, while Kitty was in the fetal position drinking perfume because Lee Atwater felt the need for clarity of message. That is, until his death bed "confession" and plea for forgiveness.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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No they don't as I am not Protestant.
I also think equality is the way to go, am for almost everything they hate. I love Jews and Hispanics.


Nothing for the Negroes, huh?

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No they don't as I am not Protestant.
I also think equality is the way to go, am for almost everything they hate. I love Jews and Hispanics.


Nothing for the Negroes, huh?


Shit yeah ,that is a given. I said equality for everyone. What the fuck you all need a special invitation. I would make an excellent dictator.I would fix this country fast

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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No they don't as I am not Protestant.
I also think equality is the way to go, am for almost everything they hate. I love Jews and Hispanics.

All of them?

Hitler? Carlos Mencia?


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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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No they don't as I am not Protestant.
I also think equality is the way to go, am for almost everything they hate. I love Jews and Hispanics.

All of them?

Hitler? Carlos Mencia?


Hitler ,no bad guy. Mencia heck yeah makes me laugh

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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They are skewed because far fewer people voted. Regardless that still doesn't change the statement that I made. People voted for Trump because they agreed with him or they excused his behavior and words for other reasons.
How can they be skewed because fewer people voted?

It's also very hard to make a case that this election was about division and making non-whites the enemy when you also are saying that people didn't even take the time to vote.

The fact is that Trump outperformed Romney in pretty much every demographic and mostly by pretty big numbers.


People voted for Trump because they agreed with him or they excused his words and behavior for other reasons. MANY ignored it for economic reasons. Why is this something hard for you to understand?

This applies to every voter and every candidate ever.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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Percentage of racist voters who voted for Trump or percentage of Trump voters who are racist?

Percentage of Trump voters who are racist


5%?


That's fair. I don't think it was MANY. I think MANY voted for him for other reasons. Economics being at the top of the list.

Hillary lost the election because she lost several battleground states by a combined total of about 100k votes. If that 5% (3 million votes) don't go to Trump we may have a different President-elect. Of course if Obama voters show up the same is likely true.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-wasnt-wrong-about-the-deplorables-among-trumps-supporters/2016/09/12/93720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html
In June, the Pew Research Center found that 79 percent of Clinton voters believe the treatment of racial and ethnic minorities is an important issue, while only 42 percent of Trump supporters feel that way. As I wrote previously, earlier Pew research found that Trump supporters were significantly less likely than other Americans (and supporters of other Republican presidential candidates) to think that racial and ethnic diversity improves the United States.

Research by Washington Post pollsters and by University of California at Irvine political scientist Michael Tesler, among others, have found that Trump does best among Americans who express racial animus. Evidence indicates fear that white people are losing ground was the single greatest predictor of support for Trump — more, even, than economic anxiety.

Few people embrace the “racist” label, so let’s help them. If you are “very enthusiastic” about a candidate who has based his campaign on scapegoating immigrants, Latinos and African Americans, talked of banning Muslims from the country, hesitated to disown the Ku Klux Klan and employed anti-Semitic imagery — well, you might be a racist. But if you are holding your nose and supporting Trump only because you think him better than Clinton, that doesn’t put you in the basket.

The new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds the two groups roughly equal: Forty-six percent of Trump supporters say they are “very enthusiastic” about his candidacy. The rest were “somewhat” or not terribly enthusiastic.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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I'm pumping the brakes on any and all polling for a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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Laughing off Trump getting elected as a result of 30+ million people being racist is dangerously naïve. That kind of thinking might get us stuck with an additional 4yrs of Trump.

Trump was elected because a large portion of America is scared of globalization & automation and the resulting loss of jobs / wages they deem "fair."

That does not mean that I cannot think that ~50% of Trump fans are racist. Speaking of people that I know voted for Trump, I can say for certain that least 75% are at least slightly bigoted in some way.

Then again...Trump voter or not... our country has a lot of bigots.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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Laughing off Trump getting elected as a result of 30+ million people being racist is dangerously naïve. That kind of thinking might get us stuck with an additional 4yrs of Trump.

Trump was elected because a large portion of America is scared of globalization & automation and the resulting loss of jobs / wages they deem "fair."

That does not mean that I cannot think that ~50% of Trump fans are racist. Speaking of people that I know voted for Trump, I can say for certain that least 75% are at least slightly bigoted in some way.

Then again...Trump voter or not... our country has a lot of bigots.


That is incredible. I must live in a bubble. Many must be right that we are truly living in worse times than 1956.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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Laughing off Trump getting elected as a result of 30+ million people being racist is dangerously naïve. That kind of thinking might get us stuck with an additional 4yrs of Trump.

Trump was elected because a large portion of America is scared of globalization & automation and the resulting loss of jobs / wages they deem "fair."

That does not mean that I cannot think that ~50% of Trump fans are racist. Speaking of people that I know voted for Trump, I can say for certain that least 75% are at least slightly bigoted in some way.

Then again...Trump voter or not... our country has a lot of bigots.


There are bigots and racists on all sides not just white people.

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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chaspoppcap wrote:
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Laughing off Trump getting elected as a result of 30+ million people being racist is dangerously naïve. That kind of thinking might get us stuck with an additional 4yrs of Trump.

Trump was elected because a large portion of America is scared of globalization & automation and the resulting loss of jobs / wages they deem "fair."

That does not mean that I cannot think that ~50% of Trump fans are racist. Speaking of people that I know voted for Trump, I can say for certain that least 75% are at least slightly bigoted in some way.

Then again...Trump voter or not... our country has a lot of bigots.


There are bigots and racists on all sides not just white people.


I never said they were only white.

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You been saying Trump fans and the majority of Trump voters are white so the presumption is there.

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Clinton fucking lost because of the failure of Vietmization to win popular support caused an ongoing erosion of confidence in the various American but illegal Saigon regimes.

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Clinton fucking lost because of the failure of Vietmization to win popular support caused an ongoing erosion of confidence in the various American but illegal Saigon regimes.

Is he right?


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Thats the popular view

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 Post subject: Re: Clinton vs Trump
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Once you break away from the racist angle and focus squarely on the economic aspects you realize that Trump isn't going to repeal NAFTA. Obama also talked about how terrible it was only to leave it bare as soon as he was done campaigning. Those jobs are gone and contrary to the rhetoric NAFTA is not the disaster that politicians keep claiming it to be. It has some downsides but it also has benefits. This country loves our cheap goods well NAFTA has made some of that possible.


If the white working class truly believes that Trump is a jobs creator then how exactly is he going to accomplish it? He is going to be another in a long line of tax cut/big spend Republicans. That model has really been a model for economic success hasn't it?

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Canada and Mexico have already said they are willing to renegotiate with Trump NAFTA. Trump did something Obama couldn't, he scared them

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I just don't get why a country could elect Barack Obama twice and then not elect Hillary Clinton. What changed?

“I mean, maybe because you’re replacing a charismatic 40-year-old black guy with a 70-year-old white woman,” Rock explains. “That’s like the Knicks replacing Patrick Ewing with Neil Patrick Harris.”

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Canada and Mexico have already said they are willing to renegotiate with Trump NAFTA. Trump did something Obama couldn't, he scared them



Renegotiate? Trump said he'd repeal it if they don't meet his conditions. Fat chance of that happening. Renegotiate could mean anything. That's a save face move. He has called it the most disastrous trade deal in history. If he means that he must repeal it.

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No they don't as I am not Protestant.
I also think equality is the way to go, am for almost everything they hate. I love Jews and Hispanics.


Nothing for the Negroes, huh?





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You want to know why Hillary lost?

http://www.forbes.com/

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For what it's worth I don't think you can attribute Trump's win to racism. This was an electorate ready to vote for an outsider or a pseudo outsider and Clinton was neither. Bernie was/is.

This is a country that elected Obama twice, as others have pointed out numerous times. That being said, I take it as given that racists are attracted to Trump more to than to Bernie or Clinton. Trump leveraged that attention. While racism is not limited to one party I also take it as a given, as the study provided earlier shows, and as RR has repeatedly pointed out in various threads, that politically active/engaged racists adopt right wing views that often align more with Republican positions than the positions of other major parties. Sort of a not every Trump supporter is a racist, but many racists are Trump supporters kind of thing.

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For what it's worth I don't think you can attribute Trump's win to racism. This was an electorate ready to vote for an outsider or a pseudo outsider and Clinton was neither. Bernie was/is.

This is a country that elected Obama twice, as others have pointed out numerous times. That being said, I take it as given that racists are attracted to Trump more to than to Bernie or Clinton. Trump leveraged that attention. While racism is not limited to one party I also take it as a given, as the study provided earlier shows, and as RR has repeatedly pointed out in various threads, that politically active/engaged racists adopt right wing views that often align more with Republican positions than the positions of other major parties. Sort of a not every Trump supporter is a racist, but many racists are Trump supporters kind of thing.


I don't personally agree with it, but I don't think it is outrageous to say that an election that Hillary lost by 100k votes (in 3 states combined) was decided by the 5% (3 million) of Trump voters who are racist.

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So realistic it almost makes me want to vote for her.

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