there are way too many people on this planet. abort away, i say

Just because you want something doesn't make it right or what you should get. I don't think single parent households do just fine and I believe statistics support that. I'm jaded by personal experience though. My husband travels a lot. I see or feel the impact sometimes of not having him around. Men and women are different and are different with kids. I think it's important to have a positive male and female role model present and active in the house.

That is because they evolved from "common sense" things that had evolved over the course of society predating the Bible and some were a way to indoctrinate those.

There are only 3 or maybe 4 commandments that actually would be relevant to our laws anyways.

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In that case, would you support a law that doesn't let single parent households raise kids?

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I agree about Clinton handling that well...

I think my biggest issue is that I don't feel the government should have an absolute say in anything medically related.

As far as father's rights, that is a whole different issue. I think that there should be a consent requirement except in cases of charged sexual assault.

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But now you've got some one-night stand douchebag forcing a woman to carry a baby to term. That pretty much undermines the whole "control my body" argument.

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If anything, maybe people will become more responsible. I know full well it's a pipe dream.

My perspective of the "control my body" argument is that the government has no say, but what a woman and a consenting partner, one night stand or long term relationship, agree on, is between them.

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yea and especially if they have Jeffery Leving for an attorney

You don't have to be religious to be against abortion. It can be a very logical argument. The most atheistic of people recognize that life (and all of the rights bestowed on a living person) doesn't begin at birth. The only confrontation is when does it begin. The answer for the non religious is coming much closer to that of religious because of medical technology.

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Especially as "health" includes "mental health." It's not too hard to imagine how big that loophole is when you allow for mental health exceptions, which could extend all the way to "I'm too stressed out to have this baby."

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I don't think the situations are comparable. One is not ideal, the other was completely fabricated. Chances are if you're a single parent you were involved in a relationship even if it sucked, great for a long time and then dissolved, or was short there are 2 people involved. Even if that story is never told to the kid(s) there is a natural occurrence of events. 2 people got together and made a baby no matter how great or not great, a life was created. The non primary care giver may still be involved also.

If 2 gay people fuck now til the end of time, there is no chance of a baby. That life would never be created. You have to pick sample # something or find an egg and a person to host that life. If they adopt, maybe. I suppose a child having parents is better than not but again I think there is value in having 2 opposite sex role models. I don't think I'd do or have done well as the child of a gay couple for lots of reasons. Some people might but I feel to some degree you wrongly discount the child's possible feelings.

Viability outside of the woman should be the controlling factor. If the fetus is viable it is a baby (legally speaking) and the normal laws apply.

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You would be surprised how challenging it is to have a baby. I have no doubt there are some people that can't mentally do it for a variety of reasons.

It sounds like you are making an argument against all adoption now.

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Ideally, yes. Unfortunately, we are basically slammed with a yes or no...no grey area.

If the government must regulate, and apparently it must because the masses obviously can't think for themselves, then, this would be a great line in the sand. The only thing I go back to is "victims of sexual assault". I don't see a reason a victim needs to be reminded of her attack on a daily basis...especially how just being pregnant fucks with a woman's body so much...

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That's because you are Crazy. With a capital C.

what does "viability" mean? viable with all the resources of a $100million facility, dozens of highly trained NICU specialists? so what is viable in Chicago is not viable in northern Idaho or Mexico?

is viable when a human can fend for herself in the wild?

I don't know what viable means.

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Wasn't your point:
1) Gay people can't have kids
2) There was no relationship that caused the baby to be created.

There are plenty of straight couples that can't have kids so they adopt or don't want to do it the standard way or they just want to.

Now, you do make an argument that gay parents are bad parents but I think it would be better to ignore that since you can't really sustain that.

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I had lunch with one of the board atheists recently and asked the same question.

I received the same answer that you have received here.

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I think it's about 25 weeks. The decision for an abortion or not should be made well before then, imo.

Of course you do. There is a time in which a future baby cannot exist without one single individual. Medical science may one day make that a thing of the past and then obviously abortion goes away almost immediately but we aren't there yet.

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Well, since he claimed he was talking about today, he "freest" countries in the world are rejecting or reducing the role of religion in massive numbers.

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There is a medical reason for other couples beyond 2 men or 2 women can't make or carry a baby to term. I've stated at least twice, and now for the 3rd time, I think there is value in having 2 opposite sex parents.

Statistically, 85-92% of all abortions are performed in the first trimester...the remaining 8-15% are by week 24 (2nd trimester). There was a trace of less than a tenth of an actual percentage point after week 24*



*ranges based on the Google machine's search results.

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I don't know what this means. no future baby can survive on its own ever.

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I think his post states the same.

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You have not explained why the belief that one configuration for parenting has value should discount another configuration for parenting.

Do you believe that gay parents would be bad parents?

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Obviously you didn't understand. A future baby has a time period when they have to rely on one single individual(the mother) to survive. This is not true for all of pregnancy or afterwards.

The equation changes greatly in terms of "choice" for the mother when the baby is able to survive without her assistance and her assistance alone.

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Ok at least i follow what you are saying now. I'm glad we solved the issue now that viability is defined that way.

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