I find a touch of irony in that Hillary may not have started the birther movement, but she made no effort to stand up to the intolerance of those attaching her opponent.

Her silence on the subject is what gave Donald Trump a voice to begin with. But it was OK as she wasn't wearing a safety pin back then.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/did-hill ... ent-2016-9


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-che ... d=42147995

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 2Go8Nh9gSg

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/b ... ton-228304


This will be it for that seeing as most ignore Trump's racism and everything else about Trump for that matter. Most however never voted for him though. I would love to see hard you and others would defend him if you'd actually voted for him.

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There is a definite parallel in Clinton's actions regarding the birther movement and the "non-racists" who supported the racist Trump. Irony indeed!

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Freedom is our Strength.

None of those refute the claim that Hillary supporters started it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

IT WASN'T HILLARY!!!!! IT WAS SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL!!

That rings about as true as, "It was all Robert Sorich, Daley didn't know nuthin'!"

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Freedom is our Strength.

All Democrats are experts at creating plausible deniability. Except Rod Blagojevich.

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Completely agree. "I take him at his word that he's a Christian." Didn't her campaign go find something he wrote in kindergarten?

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GO BEARS!!!

The notion that her supporters somehow do not equate to her is somehow lost on you. If that is the case then the Trump supporter that says he wanted her dead speaks for Trump.


The person that created the notion was Trump himself. This whole thing was debunked in every article cited. It is not surprising that few here believe that racism played any role in the victory.

The World Hates Hillary Clinton! Rejoice and let the stumbling bumbling racist with his bumbling racist friends run the country. I hope it works out for everyone. When the issue of race comes up and I mean in a major way remember all of the ignorance that you and others willingly displayed. Just because you choose to ignore it doesn't mean that it is going to go away. There are people much angrier and much more hostile than me running around mad as hell that an overt racist was elected by the people of this country.

The same people frankly that ignored Trump during the campaign are ignoring him now. Blacks and other minorities groups aren't though. To them racism is a big deal and frankly it should be. Yeah Hillary really is a bitch for hiding some damn Emails but this asshole that shits on people for a living is to be respected and honored. This has the potential to get really ugly and to be honest I hope it doesn't. I hope people will respect the office and simply try and defeat him in four years.

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Why hasn't anyone actually addressed Trump's role in the whole movement. Did Hillary actually start the movement. Does anyone have an actual quote from her.


ONce again lets see who can find something from Trump. This is becoming an exercise in idiocy with all due respect. Have fun with the damn idiot.

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You said Trump "started it". He did not. He certainly became the leader of it a few years later but he did not start it. You wanted a battle of birther articles and you got one. The results seem pretty clear that Hillary supporters started it and not Trump.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

All Republicans are experts at denying the existence of racism within the Republican Party. Just ask Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. They will win the gold medal each and every time. Three way tie for that honor

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Agreed. Rick and others have gone out of their way to convince everyone that it isn't possible that anything could have played a role in this election beyond people thinking Trump would be a better president. They've also gone out of their way to convince everyone that he didn't really believe the things he said or did on the campaign trail at the same time Steve Bannon is being named his top adviser and white supremacist are applauding the hire.

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GO BEARS!!!

She didn't start it but she played politics with it by refusing to repudiate it.

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GO BEARS!!!

Hillary CLinton didn't started it either if that is the case. When people think Birther they think Hillary. How does it seem clear when I just cited four articles which clearly state it didn't start with her. The notion that it did was put out there by Trump himself. The knots that you guys put yourselves into defend that asshole is truly astounding. I mean that in all seriousness. It is no wonder that people are marching in the streets. I hope that it doesn't recreate the sorts of things that i just to read about in history books but with people choosing to ignore support or defend at every instance I don't see how it can't.

The second there is a racial incident this country is going to go up. There is no doubt about it. People will be looking for reasons and everyone will want to which symptons were present prior to but it is not difficult to ascertain. People are inventing and revising stuff to fit narratives that they have constructed. Not everyone is going to buy that and they shouldn't to be honest. It is bullshit

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Let me be as simple as possible here.

You said Trump started the birther movement. This is not correct. Hillary supporters did. Trump took it to new heights but he did not start it.

Please don't respond referencing "Hillary didn't start it" please.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Hillary didn't start it

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Then you need to stop wit the equating Trump is a racist so therefore his supporters are. Can not have it both ways ,sir.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

man, I had totally forgot about that.

Both candidates would have supported animal sacrifice if it got them elected. It's all politics.

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

Some maniac in a white hood who says he supports Trump doesn't speak for Trump. Those maniacs in the streets calling for Trump's assassination right now don't speak for Hillary. But Steve Bannon most certainly speaks for Trump. And Sidney Blumenthal most certainly spoke for Hillary.

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Freedom is our Strength.

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Elections have consequences.

this is unfortunately true. Unfortunate for a lot of people regarding Bannon.

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

Hillary fired numerous staffers during the 2008 election for circulating these "rumors". But during a 60 minutes interview, rather than saying he isn't a muslim or born out of the country, its take his word for it. She didn't create the monster, but did as little as possible to put a stop to it.



https://youtu.be/LHFREDHB-nQ

Shouldn't her answer have really been, "So what if he is?"

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Not yet, I beleive she was accepting of gays at this time, but not yet Muslims. I don't think the popularization of Muslims happened until around 2014. That is when Hillary made the evolved as a person and a candidate.

Dead on JORR. I was out of lunch meeting in LA with a guy I have worked with my entire career and a broker that I just met. After the meeting was over, the guy I work with said, did you realize Kevin is gay? And I responded "no, and it doesn't matter." I am trying to evolve.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

I had forgotten about that interview. If Trump is an overt racist, I guess we need to call her an equivocating racist.

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Is it really surprising that in over about 30 responses not one person actually addressed the fact that 66% of Trump supporters believed that Obama wasn't born in this country? Is it really surprising that they also chosed to focus on whether Hillary Clinton started the birther movement?

Not to this interested observer. This board is so heavily in favor of Trump that there really is no turning back at this point. This is but a microcosm of what Hitler's Germany must have looked like

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