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It doesn't matter if God exists. It matters that the founding fathers "thought" he exists. Christian thought is entwined with human rights & liberty concepts that emerged in western europe. Obviously the "freest" countries on earth we formerly Christian nations.


I had lunch with one of the board atheists recently and asked the same question.

I received the same answer that you have received here.


First, he didn't ask a question.

Second, at least you got an answer when you asked your question. You should reciprocate that sometime.

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It doesn't matter if God exists. It matters that the founding fathers "thought" he exists. Christian thought is entwined with human rights & liberty concepts that emerged in western europe. Obviously the "freest" countries on earth we formerly Christian nations.


I had lunch with one of the board atheists recently and asked the same question.

I received the same answer that you have received here.


First, he didn't ask a question.

Second, at least you got an answer when you asked your question. You should reciprocate that sometime.
:lol:

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Especially as "health" includes "mental health." It's not too hard to imagine how big that loophole is when you allow for mental health exceptions, which could extend all the way to "I'm too stressed out to have this baby."


You would be surprised how challenging it is to have a baby. I have no doubt there are some people that can't mentally do it for a variety of reasons.


I'm not trying to minimize how hard it is...I'm just saying that if it gets to the point where it becomes illegal with an exception for the life/health of the mother, then the exception would be so large as to render the law meaningless. (And I'm not taking a side on it...my philosophy is probably close to JORR).

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It doesn't matter if God exists. It matters that the founding fathers "thought" he exists. Christian thought is entwined with human rights & liberty concepts that emerged in western europe. Obviously the "freest" countries on earth we formerly Christian nations.


I had lunch with one of the board atheists recently and asked the same question.

I received the same answer that you have received here.


First, he didn't ask a question.

Second, at least you got an answer when you asked your question. You should reciprocate that sometime.
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So you still got nothing?

:lol: :lol:

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So you still got nothing?

:lol: :lol:
What question do you want me to answer?

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So you still got nothing?

:lol: :lol:
What question do you want me to answer?


Where did the concept that people are endowed with certain rights come from?

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So you still got nothing?

:lol: :lol:
What question do you want me to answer?


Where did the concept that people are endowed with certain rights come from?
The earliest agricultural societies.

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When my mother was abducted by the Communists, she was with child...but the Communists, they put an end to that! So, on this issue there is no debate! And no intelligent person can think differently.


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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.

To be fair, Hatchetman acknowledged it right before TM brought it up.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.

To be fair, Hatchetman acknowledged it right before TM brought it up.


Who?

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.


I am not devout but Hatchetman alluded to it and didn't want to endorse them.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.
Just like none of them will acknowledge that of the Ten Commandments, only 3 of them actually made it into law, and two of them would almost certainly have made it in regardless.

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So you still got nothing?

:lol: :lol:
What question do you want me to answer?


Where did the concept that people are endowed with certain rights come from?

John Locke

and gradually over centuries

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.
Just like none of them will acknowledge that of the Ten Commandments, only 3 of them actually made it into law, and two of them would almost certainly have made it in regardless.


I thought you said 4 earlier? Which ones are you using?

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So you still got nothing?

:lol: :lol:
What question do you want me to answer?


Where did the concept that people are endowed with certain rights come from?

John Locke


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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.
Just like none of them will acknowledge that of the Ten Commandments, only 3 of them actually made it into law, and two of them would almost certainly have made it in regardless.


I thought you said 4 earlier? Which ones are you using?
There used to be penalties for adultery. Don't worry. There aren't now.

The three are steal, murder, and bear false witness.

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CORRELARY. DOES. NOT. MEAN. CAUSAL.

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]There used to be penalties for adultery. Don't worry. There aren't now.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.
Just like none of them will acknowledge that of the Ten Commandments, only 3 of them actually made it into law, and two of them would almost certainly have made it in regardless.


I thought you said 4 earlier? Which ones are you using?
There used to be penalties for adultery. Don't worry. There aren't now.

The three are steal, murder, and bear false witness.


:lol: :lol:

You beat me to this.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.
Just like none of them will acknowledge that of the Ten Commandments, only 3 of them actually made it into law, and two of them would almost certainly have made it in regardless.


The Ten Commandments are Jewish.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.
Just like none of them will acknowledge that of the Ten Commandments, only 3 of them actually made it into law, and two of them would almost certainly have made it in regardless.


The Ten Commandments are Jewish.


This is hardly the time to use ethnic slurs.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.
Just like none of them will acknowledge that of the Ten Commandments, only 3 of them actually made it into law, and two of them would almost certainly have made it in regardless.


The Ten Commandments are Jewish.
Don't tell me about the Ten Commandments. I watch it every Easter.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.
Just like none of them will acknowledge that of the Ten Commandments, only 3 of them actually made it into law, and two of them would almost certainly have made it in regardless.


The Ten Commandments are Jewish.
Don't tell me about the Ten Commandments. I watch it every Easter.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.


Unfortunately it did. Unlike Islam though the majority of Christians did not back silently or publicly the Klan ethos.

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Actually the First commandment was part of law in a lot of places at least at the local/state level for a long time. So called Blue Laws as to the reason why there was no business on Sundays such as no automobile sales.

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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.


Unfortunately it did. Unlike Islam though the majority of Christians did not back silently or publicly the Klan ethos.


They just stood around for a century and watched lynchings and mobs kill people.

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You have not explained why the belief that one configuration for parenting has value should discount another configuration for parenting.

Do you believe that gay parents would be bad parents?


Individually, no. As a couple or people starting a family I think it's important to have two opposite sex parent. I would not be an advocate for a single parent adopting a child or a single parent having a child through some sort of fertilization process.


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I'll assume none of the devout Christians will respond to TM's correct assessment that Christianity also played a large role in the formation of the KKK.


Unfortunately it did. Unlike Islam though the majority of Christians did not back silently or publicly the Klan ethos.


They just stood around for a century and watched lynchings and mobs kill people.


They?

I do believe there were Christian organizations who publicly and vocally opposed slavery from the first day it found its way to this shore.

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We just spent 8 years with the next potus calling the current one illegitimate because of his race, hypocrisy running rampant largely (or bigly, if you will) by those now calling for "fairness " although just 10 days ago MANY of them stood shoulder to shoulder with folks calling for armed revolution and their lack of belief in the system.


He spent the last few months blowing the dog whistle, suggesting that his 2nd Amendment people should take Hillary out. Now, he is crying foul that the 1st Amendment people are targeting him.

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