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If a black coach or executive or player said the exact same thing about the exact same scenario, not one person would have said boo.


A black coach can use the "n word" too though, right? I'm pretty sure you would agree that Phil Jackson better not.


Personally, I don't much care for the word in any context. I would have a difficult time with a black coach/player/executive using the word in public.

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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.

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My opinion is Phil was using "posse" to describe a one time event where Lebron was just hanging with his old buddies after a game in Cleveland. Perhaps he uses "entourage" in reference to a more positive situation.

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I'm torn on this one. Steve Kerr's probably not an apt comparison due to his age... but would he refer to, say, Dirk Nowitzki as having a posse?



Did Kobe ever have a group like this in his orbit?





Kobe has no friends, never well liked.

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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.



In "Gangster Gangster" Ice Cube did in fact refer to his crew as a posse. Pittmike Bernstein would be impressed and envious of your recollection of 80's rap lyrics.

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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.



In "Gangster Gangster" Ice Cube did in fact refer to his crew as a posse. Pittmike Bernstein would be impressed and envious of your recollection of 80's rap lyrics.


A bitch is a bitch.
Short for poorer rich.
I talk in the exact same pitch.

Now the title bitch don't apply to all women
But all women gotta little bitch in 'em

It's like a disease that plagues their character...


Whaddya think, LTG? Do I have street cred?

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MJ didn't really have a posse. If I remember, he came to the games alone. Left alone. Yeah, he had 6 off duty Chicago police as security. But that's not a posse.

He'd hook up with his whores later. But they were never seen at the games.


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leashyourkids wrote:
I'm torn on this one. Steve Kerr's probably not an apt comparison due to his age... but would he refer to, say, Dirk Nowitzki as having a posse?

Good point


Gronkowski comes to mind


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MJ didn't really have a posse. If I remember, he came to the games alone. Left alone. Yeah, he had 6 off duty Chicago police as security. But that's not a posse.

He'd hook up with his whores later. But they were never seen at the games.

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pittmike wrote:
Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.



In "Gangster Gangster" Ice Cube did in fact refer to his crew as a posse. Pittmike Bernstein would be impressed and envious of your recollection of 80's rap lyrics.


A bitch is a bitch.
Short for poorer rich.
I talk in the exact same pitch.

Now the title bitch don't apply to all women
But all women gotta little bitch in 'em

It's like a disease that plagues their character...


Whaddya think, LTG? Do I have street cred?


Not bad. Definitely a classic of the pre politically correct misogynist rap Era. If you wanted to get gutter though you'd have had to let this one ride.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kzi0TEZOeHQ

Definitely one of the more underrated and unknown cuts of the era.

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pittmike wrote:
Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.



In "Gangster Gangster" Ice Cube did in fact refer to his crew as a posse. Pittmike Bernstein would be impressed and envious of your recollection of 80's rap lyrics.


When I was in basic training in 1985 there was this black guy from NYC. He could entertain all of us with his freelance. Once we were allowed cassettes lol he had good stuff.

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I wish to lodge two protests (can I say lodge?)

- I protest the entirety of the conversation (not here but everywhere). This is a crock of shit that reads like a group of Sensitive Sallies responding by invoking a lazy cry of racism or white privilege or whatever the hell you want to term it;

- I protest the proclaimed victory of Rodney as I was away from the bored all day and thus unable to propagate it with my usual insightful idiocy.

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I agree with half of what Tiny says.

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I agree with half of what Tiny says.

Are you suggesting I was actually available all day? :D

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Every chance he got Phil showed his bogotry

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pittmike wrote:
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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.



In "Gangster Gangster" Ice Cube did in fact refer to his crew as a posse. Pittmike Bernstein would be impressed and envious of your recollection of 80's rap lyrics.


When I was in basic training in 1985 there was this black guy from NYC. He could entertain all of us with his freelance. Once we were allowed cassettes lol he had good stuff.



You've created a monster with 80's posse references and the more I think about it the more it appears that LeBron James is being an asshole.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BuHVghDT6EI

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Are you suggesting I was actually available all day? :D


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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.



In "Gangster Gangster" Ice Cube did in fact refer to his crew as a posse. Pittmike Bernstein would be impressed and envious of your recollection of 80's rap lyrics.


When I was in basic training in 1985 there was this black guy from NYC. He could entertain all of us with his freelance. Once we were allowed cassettes lol he had good stuff.



You've created a monster with 80's posse references and the more I think about it the more it appears that LeBron James is being an asshole.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BuHVghDT6EI


Unlike Bernsie white guys that had street cred back in the day didn't need to talk about it. :lol:

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pittmike wrote:
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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.



In "Gangster Gangster" Ice Cube did in fact refer to his crew as a posse. Pittmike Bernstein would be impressed and envious of your recollection of 80's rap lyrics.


When I was in basic training in 1985 there was this black guy from NYC. He could entertain all of us with his freelance. Once we were allowed cassettes lol he had good stuff.



You've created a monster with 80's posse references and the more I think about it the more it appears that LeBron James is being an asshole.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BuHVghDT6EI


Unlike Bernsie white guys that had street cred back in the day didn't need to talk about it. :lol:



http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/ ... guys/n9329

That was one of the funnier skits that I'd seen on Saturday Night Live from that period.

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Lebron's a totally cool person and I have mad respect for the man, but AAVE doesn't have the last word on all the connotations of a word.

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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.


That was the first thing i thought of, too. Maybe Phil thinks "posse" is still a word the young'uns of today use to describe their friends/group.


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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.


That was the first thing i thought of, too. Maybe Phil thinks "posse" is still a word the young'uns of today use to describe their friends/group.


I don't think so. He's been around young black men his entire life. But he's an old man now. Just a shadow of the counter-culture hippie he used to be. He reflexively leaped to defend the authoritarian Pat Riley, probably from the comfort of his rich girlfriend's apartment. In doing so he purposely used a word that cast aspersions on a group of young black professionals within the context that he used it. Like I said, I don't think it was intentionally racist, but I can understand why LeBron got salty.

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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.


That was the first thing i thought of, too. Maybe Phil thinks "posse" is still a word the young'uns of today use to describe their friends/group.


I don't think so. He's been around young black men his entire life. But he's an old man now. Just a shadow of the counter-culture hippie he used to be. He reflexively leaped to defend the authoritarian Pat Riley, probably from the comfort of his rich girlfriend's apartment. In doing so he purposely used a word that cast aspersions on a group of young black professionals within the context that he used it. Like I said, I don't think it was intentionally racist, but I can understand why LeBron got salty.

Jackson once referred to the Church of Latter-Day Saints as a "cult," and that seems ten times more egregious than this.

Even if has been around black men all his life, would he know that posse has this special meaning? Why would Lebron even care?

About fifteen years ago I told a student who was trying to find a time to talk with me about a paper she wrote that "eventually, we'll hook up" (or some such). She looked at me strangely, said "ok," and walked away awkwardly. It was weird enough for me to mention it to a colleague, who said, "Wait a minute. What did you say?"

Oops....

I had another student who once wrote about being a "dancer". I almost mentioned it in class a few times--"Well take Sarah, here; she used to be a dancer"-- but didn't. At the end of the semester, she thanked me for being so supportive and non-judgmental. "Why would I judge you?" I said. She responded, "Well, the whole dancer thing . . ." I shrugged. About two hours later, it dawned on me what she meant.

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The most recent consistent use of posse in media I consume was Gawker calling DiCaprios crew the Pussy Posse


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Article Bill Simmons wrote that included talk of Kyle Korver's posse: http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actuari ... 72621.html

HBO had a show called Entourage about the same situation. It's basically one guy making it big and the rest hanging around. Sure LeBron get's shit for his buddy Maverick Carter being his "manager". But Tom Cruise has also been ridiculed for hiring his sister as his PR rep.

It's weak for LeBron to hide behind race for diva behavior.

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I can tell you one thing for sure. If I have 100 million dollars I would definitely have a posse. Also, some of them would be Chris Carter's "fall guys".

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Maybe I am just old but wasn't that a very popular word to use back in the late 80's and 90's? Born out of rap and the groups around entertainers and athletes. I can see James being annoyed as they are adults and so on but I think posse is one of those words that crosses over to everyday vernacular.


That was the first thing i thought of, too. Maybe Phil thinks "posse" is still a word the young'uns of today use to describe their friends/group.


I don't think so. He's been around young black men his entire life. But he's an old man now. Just a shadow of the counter-culture hippie he used to be. He reflexively leaped to defend the authoritarian Pat Riley, probably from the comfort of his rich girlfriend's apartment. In doing so he purposely used a word that cast aspersions on a group of young black professionals within the context that he used it. Like I said, I don't think it was intentionally racist, but I can understand why LeBron got salty.

Jackson once referred to the Church of Latter-Day Saints as a "cult," and that seems ten times more egregious than this.

Even if has been around black men all his life, would he know that posse has this special meaning? Why would Lebron even care?

About fifteen years ago I told a student who was trying to find a time to talk with me about a paper she wrote that "eventually, we'll hook up" (or some such). She looked at me strangely, said "ok," and walked away awkwardly. It was weird enough for me to mention it to a colleague, who said, "Wait a minute. What did you say?"

Oops....

I had another student who once wrote about being a "dancer". I almost mentioned it in class a few times--"Well take Sarah, here; she used to be a dancer"-- but didn't. At the end of the semester, she thanked me for being so supportive and non-judgmental. "Why would I judge you?" I said. She responded, "Well, the whole dancer thing . . ." I shrugged. About two hours later, it dawned on me what she meant.



Guaranteed Phil knows what a posse is. A better analogy would be if you knew exactly what a dancer was but you said to the class, "Hello, class, Tiffani has just informed me she is a stripper!"

Like I said, if Jackson had used "posse" in a different context he would have simply sounded like a grandpa trying to be cool the way Joe Maddon often does. But the way he used it, I fully understand why LeBron took offense. I'm not attributing bad intentions to Phil. I think he just thoughtlessly said something without considering how someone else would take it. And I don't think LeBron was infuriated. He didn't call for Phil's job or try to whip up a racial micromob. He just said, "Fuck Phil Jackson." I think that's the right response.

What I find rather delicious is that Phil so obviously views himself as this anti-Establishment icon, the man who played in The League and who knows how to handle the black superstar, but really he's become just another old guy yelling at a cloud.

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He stopped being counter culture the minute he dumped his wife for the young hot billionaire chippy.

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According to the dickshunary Lebron be wrong

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noun pos·se \ˈpä-sē\
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Simple Definition of posse
: a group of people who were gathered together by a sheriff in the past to help search for a criminal
: a group of people who are together for a particular purpose
: a group of friends

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