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Kirkwood
 Post subject: Re: Free Trade
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:06 pm 
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Buy American is still around. For example, there are number clothes manufacturers experiencing a small renaissance. However, their clothes in your price range if you're a single person/DINK pulling a yuppie salary.


Saying "buy American" is the financial equivalent of telling everyone to "shop at Whole Foods." The food at Whole Foods might be more organic, but people still have a budget on what they can afford. Spending more money on American goods might benefit jobs in some ways, but it doesn't benefit people who can't afford more.

Pretty much. Summed up nicely by the Sam Vimes Boots Theory in Men At Arms.

Buying a pair a boots for $200 bucks that lasts 5 years leaves you wealthier than buying 5 pairs for $50 each year.

But if you don't have money, you can't plan ahead like that.

that's what i said, that's what i said.
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Looks like changing NAFTA will not be that difficult.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-pm-tr ... 13892.html

https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World ... trump.ashx

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America was at its peak during its height as an industrial giant. If America is to be great again, it must return to it's former status as an industrial leader.

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leashyourkids
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America was at its peak during its height as an industrial giant. If America is to be great again, it must return to it's former status as an industrial leader.


Could you be a bit more specific?

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New Balance, who apparently manufactures their shoes domestically, has voiced support for Trump because of his opposition to TPP. Now people are burning their shoes.
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
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I hope people like beef. Because they were counting on the TPP for Asian exports.

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Buy American went away with Subarus and Toyotas. Now the only loyals left are bikers with Harleys and tradesmen with F150s.


My Toyota was assembled in Princeton, Indiana.


And the Ford was assembled in Mexico. Patriotism fail. :lol:


The F-150 and all of the F series is built in the USA.
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Buy American went away with Subarus and Toyotas. Now the only loyals left are bikers with Harleys and tradesmen with F150s.


My Toyota was assembled in Princeton, Indiana.


And the Ford was assembled in Mexico. Patriotism fail. :lol:


The F-150 and all of the F series is built in the USA.


hand assembled by Mike Rowe
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Where it is "assembled" is virtually meaningless. Where the parts are made and where the profits go are what matters.

If you buy a foreign vehicle the "profits" are not staying here.

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Where it is "assembled" is virtually meaningless. Where the parts are made and where the profits go are what matters.

If you buy a foreign vehicle the "profits" are not staying here.


It matters to the UAW.

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Where it is "assembled" is virtually meaningless. Where the parts are made and where the profits go are what matters.

If you buy a foreign vehicle the "profits" are not staying here.


In 2015 the F-150 was #1 for domestic content. In 2016 it was #2.

Either way, where it is assembled is meaningful and not just because of workers getting paid to assemble the vehicle. Much more involved than that.
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Brick
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SomeGuy wrote:
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Where it is "assembled" is virtually meaningless. Where the parts are made and where the profits go are what matters.

If you buy a foreign vehicle the "profits" are not staying here.


In 2015 the F-150 was #1 for domestic content. In 2016 it was #2.

Either way, where it is assembled is meaningful and not just because of workers getting paid to assemble the vehicle. Much more involved than that.
If 100% of the parts are made in foreign markets and the company is based in a foreign country but it is "assembled" here it is virtually meaningless.

It's just like the movie Tommy Boy.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Where it is "assembled" is virtually meaningless. Where the parts are made and where the profits go are what matters.

If you buy a foreign vehicle the "profits" are not staying here.


In 2015 the F-150 was #1 for domestic content. In 2016 it was #2.

Either way, where it is assembled is meaningful and not just because of workers getting paid to assemble the vehicle. Much more involved than that.
If 100% of the parts are made in foreign markets and the company is based in a foreign country but it is "assembled" here it is virtually meaningless.

It's just like the movie Tommy Boy.


I wouldn't say it's completely meaningless. You still have the company paying workers here to assemble those parts, paying taxes on those wages, the company paying taxes in America, etc. It's not as good as having everything manufactured/assembled here, but it's better than nothing.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Where it is "assembled" is virtually meaningless. Where the parts are made and where the profits go are what matters.

If you buy a foreign vehicle the "profits" are not staying here.


In 2015 the F-150 was #1 for domestic content. In 2016 it was #2.

Either way, where it is assembled is meaningful and not just because of workers getting paid to assemble the vehicle. Much more involved than that.
If 100% of the parts are made in foreign markets and the company is based in a foreign country but it is "assembled" here it is virtually meaningless.

It's just like the movie Tommy Boy.


I can get look at a bull's ass by sticking my head up there but wouldn't you rather take his word for it??

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 Post subject: Re: Free Trade
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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Where it is "assembled" is virtually meaningless. Where the parts are made and where the profits go are what matters.

If you buy a foreign vehicle the "profits" are not staying here.


In 2015 the F-150 was #1 for domestic content. In 2016 it was #2.

Either way, where it is assembled is meaningful and not just because of workers getting paid to assemble the vehicle. Much more involved than that.
If 100% of the parts are made in foreign markets and the company is based in a foreign country but it is "assembled" here it is virtually meaningless.

It's just like the movie Tommy Boy.


I wouldn't say it's completely meaningless. You still have the company paying workers here to assemble those parts, paying taxes on those wages, the company paying taxes in America, etc. It's not as good as having everything manufactured/assembled here, but it's better than nothing.


Now, now, remember....BRick said "virtually" meaningless.
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I wouldn't say it's completely meaningless. You still have the company paying workers here to assemble those parts, paying taxes on those wages, the company paying taxes in America, etc. It's not as good as having everything manufactured/assembled here, but it's better than nothing.
Well, I'm using it in the context that there are other options that are better. If you tell me two cars are "assembled in America" it doesn't really tell me anything about how valuable it is for America. Now, some people don't care either way which is fine but the actual content and sourcing of the parts is far more important. That tells you were the research and development and actual management is coming from which is important too.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
If you buy a foreign vehicle the "profits" are not staying here.


Unless the parts are made in Mexico by American companies.

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