Yes, that's true and understandable.

That said, there are a lot of city folk (and suburb folk) who don't know where anything is outside of Chicago.

East Coasters are even worse. When I lived out there, people would frequently confuse Illinois with Ohio. There was a woman I traveled to Orlando with who didn't know any of the states located between CT and FL on a map (100% serious). And of course none of them knew where Chicago is on a map. They just knew it was in Illinois.

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Stewart doesn't sound like the Liberal equivalent of Rush Limbaugh to me. Here, he basically defends Trump supporters.

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That's a short interview where he tells an anecdote about his friends who voted for Trump. For years he used The Daily Show as a pulpit to promote an agenda.

I'm just reading the latest New York magazine. The over-the-top hysteria is comical.

This is what I call bias and I think any reasonable and fair person would. From Jonathan Chait:

"Two days after the election, his attorney reaffirmed his intention to have his children run his business even while he serves as president- an arrangement creating limitless opportunity for corruption, as his use of the presidency enriches his brand and foreign leaders strike deals that curry personal favor."

What exactly is he saying here? That Trump will have the opportunity to do what Clinton has already done? That's why those deleted e-mails are so important (and likely why they were deleted). How could anyone have the balls to make such a criticism (as fair as it is) after supporting Hillary Clinton?

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More excuses for Trump mixed in with an attack on Hillary.

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There are inherent problems with this particular comparison. Limbaugh and to a slightly lesser degree helped shape Republican politics. There was a time when his influence was felt throughout the party. Stewart never had that type of reach. Republicans took special care not to piss him off and he helped vette potential candidates for political office. Stewart never was the equivalent of that.

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I don't mean this to sound mocking... I'm just genuinely curious... did you ever watch the Daily Show? It truly baffles me how any reasonably objective person could compare Stewart or Colbert to Hannity or Limbaugh. Mike made a comparison to Bill O'Reilly which I would still disagree with but is a much more reasonable comparison.

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I doubt that most on here did. It was probably dismissed simply as another "left wing political show".

The closest thing that the "left" had to Limbaugh and Hannity was Olbermann.

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Yes, I have watched The Daily Show. It's not the same stylistically as Limbaugh's radio show, but it's certainly as ideologically dogmatic. And at times it's shameful in the same ways as Hannity or Rush.

I would say O'Reilly is the outlier in that group of names. He gets painted as a wingnut because of his presence on Fox and of course his positions are generally right, but he isn't an ideologue in the same way all of those others you mention are.

But to tell you the truth, I'm not even sure Limbaugh is a true believer. I think it's likely that he's more like bernstein, a guy who says crazy stuff on the airwaves and likes the money it makes him. It's funny that Republicans consider him a leader of their party.

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Right. He loves himself and his money. Anyone with a brain can see his braggadocio and bluster usually is always to make him appear right and keep you listening i.e. making him cash.

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Here's an example of what I'm talking about with Stewart. Just look at the difference in the way he approaches a woman who had her genitals mutilated and had to escape an arranged marriage and who is trying to explain something to him that he clearly does not understand and the way he handles the phony " religious scholar" Reza Aslan whose bullshit he can't wait to lap up. It's truly shameful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71dBK0iCRro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfgfTtqq2c

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Um, Obama as well as numerous other Liberal politicians have appeared on both the Daily Show and Real time. You hardly ever see right wing major politicos appearing on Rush or his ilk with the same frequency. And don't give me the handjob about Real Time giving equal time because when a conservative is on they are usually ganged up on and shouted down by the rest of the quests and Maher himself

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There is a difference between somebody with a bias, and another who flat out tells lies. To say that Maher and Limbaugh are opposite sides of the same coin is lazy and dishonest. Both Limbaugh and Hannity pushed the birther narrative pretty hard. That's insane. There have been MANY instances where Maher takes the Democrats to task, such as last week's show after the election. Maher interviewed Huckabee, Santorum, and Rand Paul during the campaign. Carly Fiorina used to appear as a guest.

It's false to suggest that conservatives get shouted down on the show. Ann Coulter, Steve Moore, Jack Kingston, etc. are crazy people who say crazy things. People like P.J. O'Rourke, David Frum and Michael Steele have civil, rational conversations.

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I'm just looking for some consistency in JORR's political thoughts beyond them leaning far right.

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Just because I'm cognizant of the media bias doesn't mean I "lean far right". I could sit around and smugly giggle with Stewart while he espouses positions I agree with- which are many- but that doesn't change the fact the the media tried to win the election for Clinton and they still haven't stopped campaigning. Ironic when it was supposedly Trump supporters that would "dangerously" refuse to accept the results.

I get that you were emotionally invested in Hillary Clinton in a way that I was not. Regardless of how much I dislike Trump, it's not going to make me root on a criminal.

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I've always considered Rockford to be a region unto itself, not downstate. God knows they have their own set of problems.

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Wasn't Maher a Trig Truther and an anti-vaxxer at one point?

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rockford is a shithole. literally filled with shit and leaks shit all over the rest of the midwest.

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Where is the excuse for Trump? I think his potential business conflicts are a concern as I clearly stated above, but we're talking about media bias. I have simply never heard the same about any other politician, at least not to this degree, and certainly not about Clinton.

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Hillary lost. She's dead. She shouldn't even be in your thoughts but you can't help yourself. Your far right leaning bias is clear in this post. You don't agree with Trump but you never miss a chance to defend him. That is really odd. Nothing about Trump's past says he's a criminal. Mostly peaceful protests are clearly the same as a candidate suggesting 2nd amendment remedies and saying he may not accept the results of the election. Stewart pointing out the hypocrisy by politicians and the media is definitely the same as the hate spewing Limbaugh that admits to just making shit up.

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I don't think that you understood the point that I was attempting to make. There was a time that you had to pass the Limbaugh Litmus Test in order to be taken seriously in GOP circles. Stewart never had that type of sway on the Democratic side. Limbaugh and his 20 million listeners were used to leverage and vette potential candidates.

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Chas if you have ever watched Real Time with any regularity you know that's not true in the slightest. Ann Coulter does a damn fine job of holding his own quite frequently, as do MANY of the right leaning panelists. To say otherwise is just peddling the same horse shit people with no good argument usually fall back on.

If the media bias leans HRC, then why haven't we heard a word about emails since Nov 9? And why isn't Trump settling a fraud case leading every newscast and above the fold A1 in every publication?

I'm sorry, but once the "Clinton News Network" hired a Trump employee who had a non dispagement agreement, flew around with DJT still advising him, and as soon as the campaign ended went right back to Trump Tower and presented him as an objective comentator, the biased media argument went right out the window.

He does have some wacky thoughts on medicine. He gave Charlie Sheen's goofy "doctor" a platform to spew some garbage.

A few goofy thoughts does not equate him to Limbaugh or Hannity. Those guys are operating in an alternate reality.

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Dude, I don't believe in property rights and I question the value of police forces. I'd hardly say those are far right positions.

But within our organized societal structure as it exists, Hillary supporters in large numbers are refusing to accept the election results. This was supposedly "dangerous" when it was assumed to be Trump followers that would do so. Can you really not see the bias?

Additionally, for most of my life it has been the right wing Establishment that was authoritarian and wanted to order everyone what to do and hand down a set of rules. Recently it's the left that has become overwhelmingly authoritarian. And if you disagree with their established positions, regardless of how politely and/or logically you do so, you're likely to get shouted down, called bad names, and declared a racist/sexist/homophobe/bigot.

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using the term "liberal bias" in media is an archaic term. the media isn't the new york times and newspapers. it's TV and internet. and it's biased both ways. everything is couched in ideological rhetoric, making it useless as far as "news". you're never getting a story. you're getting a headline and a cheap shot.

limbaugh has always been a polemic, trying to pass himself off as an entertainer. but he has his peckerheads (i mean dittoheads) as his audience and that's what got him through the 90's. then he became a public drug addict at a time when the media swing started to show off right wingers like ann coulter who came out of nowhere with her anti-Clinton books and then her big hit, "Slander".

hannity and o'reilly have always been more palatable on their respective radio shows. hannity even comes off sometimes as centrist rather than a right wing talking head.

the media has saturated everything, and turned it into garbage. everything is clickbait. everything is gutteral low blows. there's no room for real politics, and that's why the system absolutely sucks no matter who you vote in.

Limbaugh's show was/is so one sided that you wouldn't be allowed on as a caller if you had an opposing viewpoint.

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I certainly wouldn't put Maher in the same category as Limbaugh/Hannity and Stewart/Colbert. He's more like a cross between denisdman and Seacrest.

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