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Reality is we have to or it changes who we are as a country.

No.


Exactly. What is left to trust? After the email leaks and document dumps there really is nothing left to trust.

The 4th Estate began it's descent into a narrative shaping arm a long, long time ago. If the last 18 months or so couldn't pop your bubble and deprogram you I don't know what will at this point.


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throwing a shit fit at major media members who will be covering your presidency seems like a great idea. :lol:


Normally it would. MANY Trumpets don't care though. He's not allowing the press to cover him and he's using Twitter to push his propaganda.

He's pushing his luck. Being a petty vindictive child will bite him in the ass. He'll need the media's help with his many upcoming scandals. I love that he sees no downside in taunting them.

They threw everything they had at him on the campaign trail and he won the presidency. He knows he doesn't need them, I think they are starting to realize he doesnt need them.


I would strongly disagree with this statement. The media gave him a platform, laughed along with his made for TV approach for the majority of the campaign, and never showed up to really force Trump to explain his platform.

Do not take me as some Clinton lefty lover as I am not. That is just how I saw it.


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Does Bootstraps Max think Twitter is a person?


Bootstraps Max is not a person. I need to consult spmack before we start guessing who he is, though. Probably you. You seem to be conversing with him on the reg.

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throwing a shit fit at major media members who will be covering your presidency seems like a great idea. :lol:


Normally it would. MANY Trumpets don't care though. He's not allowing the press to cover him and he's using Twitter to push his propaganda.

He's pushing his luck. Being a petty vindictive child will bite him in the ass. He'll need the media's help with his many upcoming scandals. I love that he sees no downside in taunting them.

They threw everything they had at him on the campaign trail and he won the presidency. He knows he doesn't need them, I think they are starting to realize he doesnt need them.


I would strongly disagree with this statement. The media gave him a platform, laughed along with his made for TV approach for the majority of the campaign, and never showed up to really force Trump to explain his platform.

Do not take me as some Clinton lefty lover as I am not. That is just how I saw it.


Again, nothing left to trust or have faith in. If that's the deal then they sold what was left of their souls (which would net a penny, maybe less) for ratings, once he really gained steam they took their orders from Clinton HQ and the DNC (one in the same) and rolled out the Pied Piper Strategy, working hand in glove with Clinton and the DNC throughout the rest of the campaign.

DIDN'T WORK and their constant breakdowns, meltdowns, tantrums and psychosis point to an establishment in total collective psychological breakdown.

They deserve nothing, they will get nothing.


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America wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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throwing a shit fit at major media members who will be covering your presidency seems like a great idea. :lol:


Normally it would. MANY Trumpets don't care though. He's not allowing the press to cover him and he's using Twitter to push his propaganda.

He's pushing his luck. Being a petty vindictive child will bite him in the ass. He'll need the media's help with his many upcoming scandals. I love that he sees no downside in taunting them.

They threw everything they had at him on the campaign trail and he won the presidency. He knows he doesn't need them, I think they are starting to realize he doesnt need them.


I would strongly disagree with this statement. The media gave him a platform, laughed along with his made for TV approach for the majority of the campaign, and never showed up to really force Trump to explain his platform.

Do not take me as some Clinton lefty lover as I am not. That is just how I saw it.


Again, nothing left to trust or have faith in. If that's the deal then they sold what was left of their souls (which would net a penny, maybe less) for ratings, once he really gained steam they took their orders from Clinton HQ and the DNC (one in the same) and rolled out the Pied Piper Strategy, working hand in glove with Clinton and the DNC throughout the rest of the campaign.

DIDN'T WORK and their constant breakdowns, meltdowns, tantrums and psychosis point to an establishment in total collective psychological breakdown.

They deserve nothing, they will get nothing.

If you believe that the Media followed the DNC, then that is a complete embarrassment on the part of the media (1) and the pathetic campaign Clinton ran (2). The media as we once knew it has lost its role in the political process. It is almost impossible to know if there are reliable sources on any issue. Flip side is any douchebag doesn't have to look far to find some media outlet that will trumpet exactly what they want to hear.

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I know that the real SomeGuy doesn't believe that. President Trump doing his own reporting is dangerous.


What is left to believe in Nas? It was all laid out in front of us, not just the "Media" vs Trump but it was also against Bernie Sanders. In both cases working hand in hand in total cooperation with the DNC/Clinton Campaign.

They've lost the privilege of the benefit of the doubt. As for who does their own reporting...are you saying that Trump will have paid people out there correcting the record? Trolling? Sending out marching orders on what to say and what to talk about before he gives a speech or policy announcement so that every media outlet will end up saying almost the same exact thing when discussing it? Because we now know that he wouldn't exactly be the first person to do such things. Not by a long shot.

The 4th Estate is supposed to be the firewall, not the collaborator.


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Does Bootstraps Max think Twitter is a person?


Do u really think things like spin and lying don't occur? If u do then your even dumber then I thought. Trumps Twitter nearly fucked Trumps chances. Couldn't ask for a better result though. It represented a big fuck you to Twitter for trying to undermine Trumps campaign.

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beni hanna wrote:
America wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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throwing a shit fit at major media members who will be covering your presidency seems like a great idea. :lol:


Normally it would. MANY Trumpets don't care though. He's not allowing the press to cover him and he's using Twitter to push his propaganda.

He's pushing his luck. Being a petty vindictive child will bite him in the ass. He'll need the media's help with his many upcoming scandals. I love that he sees no downside in taunting them.

They threw everything they had at him on the campaign trail and he won the presidency. He knows he doesn't need them, I think they are starting to realize he doesnt need them.


I would strongly disagree with this statement. The media gave him a platform, laughed along with his made for TV approach for the majority of the campaign, and never showed up to really force Trump to explain his platform.

Do not take me as some Clinton lefty lover as I am not. That is just how I saw it.



Be careful. Be very very careful or else you will be a victim of "the label". Any analysis of Trump must first be accompanied by a thorough dissing of Hillary. As long as you subscribe to that particular playbook you're fine. When you assess Trump simply on his own merit then you will be subject to the "label".

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beni hanna wrote:
America wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Nas wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
throwing a shit fit at major media members who will be covering your presidency seems like a great idea. :lol:


Normally it would. MANY Trumpets don't care though. He's not allowing the press to cover him and he's using Twitter to push his propaganda.

He's pushing his luck. Being a petty vindictive child will bite him in the ass. He'll need the media's help with his many upcoming scandals. I love that he sees no downside in taunting them.

They threw everything they had at him on the campaign trail and he won the presidency. He knows he doesn't need them, I think they are starting to realize he doesnt need them.


I would strongly disagree with this statement. The media gave him a platform, laughed along with his made for TV approach for the majority of the campaign, and never showed up to really force Trump to explain his platform.

Do not take me as some Clinton lefty lover as I am not. That is just how I saw it.




Be careful. Be very very careful or else you will be a victim of "the label". Any analysis of Trump must first be accompanied by a thorough dissing of Hillary. As long as you subscribe to that particular playbook you're fine. When you assess Trump simply on his own merit then you will be subject to the "label".


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beni hanna wrote:
America wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Nas wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
throwing a shit fit at major media members who will be covering your presidency seems like a great idea. :lol:


Normally it would. MANY Trumpets don't care though. He's not allowing the press to cover him and he's using Twitter to push his propaganda.

He's pushing his luck. Being a petty vindictive child will bite him in the ass. He'll need the media's help with his many upcoming scandals. I love that he sees no downside in taunting them.

They threw everything they had at him on the campaign trail and he won the presidency. He knows he doesn't need them, I think they are starting to realize he doesnt need them.


I would strongly disagree with this statement. The media gave him a platform, laughed along with his made for TV approach for the majority of the campaign, and never showed up to really force Trump to explain his platform.

Do not take me as some Clinton lefty lover as I am not. That is just how I saw it.



Be careful. Be very very careful or else you will be a victim of "the label". Any analysis of Trump must first be accompanied by a thorough dissing of Hillary. As long as you subscribe to that theory you are fine. When you assess Trump simply one his own merit then you will be subject to the "label".

Label me bitches. Trump did not have to show merit. I don't believe that is his fault. It happened. He is now our president. We role the dice and see what's up...just can't role em at the Trump casino in Jersey.


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The media rigged a debate for Hillary against Sanders. The media pushed a "he cannot win" narrative all spring that was literally written word for word by the Clinton campaign. Not only would Sanders have won with an impartial establishment media, we SHOULD have won because he would've won OH, MI, PA and WI (and thus the presidency). But the media, along with a disingenuous appeal to identity politics #HERstory, robbed the Democrats of their rightful nominee.

I dont think they really expected Trump to win until around May, and that was when you saw them get really nasty against him. The fact that they still call him a sexual predator over that silly tape, which of course caused a major "HE MUST DROP OUT" freakout from the media, is proof enough of that.


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Not that we really need to be having an adversarial relationship with Russia while Europe faces a demographic crisis and Islamic terror attacks are on a huge upswing globally. Perhaps working TOGETHER to end this shit in Syria would fix more problems than wanting to have our cake an eat it too when it comes to ISIS and Asad.

Yes, we do. Russia is never to be trusted.


Putin is far from a dope though.

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The media rigged a debate for Hillary against Sanders. The media pushed a "he cannot win" narrative all spring that was literally written word for word by the Clinton campaign. Not only would Sanders have won with an impartial establishment media, we SHOULD have won because he would've won OH, MI, PA and WI (and thus the presidency). But the media, along with a disingenuous appeal to identity politics #HERstory, robbed the Democrats of their rightful nominee.

I dont think they really expected Trump to win until around May, and that was when you saw them get really nasty against him. The fact that they still call him a sexual predator over that silly tape, which of course caused a major "HE MUST DROP OUT" freakout from the media, is proof enough of that.

the sess thing was sooooo lazy. Made for TV crap. The media failed miserably. MISERABLEAAY


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I know that the real SomeGuy doesn't believe that. President Trump doing his own reporting is dangerous.


What is left to believe in Nas? It was all laid out in front of us, not just the "Media" vs Trump but it was also against Bernie Sanders. In both cases working hand in hand in total cooperation with the DNC/Clinton Campaign.

They've lost the privilege of the benefit of the doubt. As for who does their own reporting...are you saying that Trump will have paid people out there correcting the record? Trolling? Sending out marching orders on what to say and what to talk about before he gives a speech or policy announcement so that every media outlet will end up saying almost the same exact thing when discussing it? Because we now know that he wouldn't exactly be the first person to do such things. Not by a long shot.

The 4th Estate is supposed to be the firewall, not the collaborator.


Irregardless of there coverage of crooked, u could tell from the start that the MSM were also rigged against Trump. It became really obvious when they wouldn't shut the fuck up after Trump very clearly answered questions on his policies, as if you can get into details during a fucking prime time interview or during a presidential debate. Fucking liberals. The other times it became really apparent that they were biased when they straight up said he was being untruthful about something. Has anyone ever seen the media do something like that before? Even Fox got into it by framing at as "fact checking". Why didn't they pull that shit with crooked? The bias was overwhelming.

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Not that we really need to be having an adversarial relationship with Russia while Europe faces a demographic crisis and Islamic terror attacks are on a huge upswing globally. Perhaps working TOGETHER to end this shit in Syria would fix more problems than wanting to have our cake an eat it too when it comes to ISIS and Asad.

Yes, we do. Russia is never to be trusted.


Putin is far from a dope though.

Agreed. Romney fortunately know this. However, I don't see him risking his image to work in the Trump Circus. I hope someone with an ear to Trump reinforces Putin is an evil tyrant. He must always be opposed and never appeased. Hit him with a stick. Always.


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Putin is far from a dope though.

Show me some examples of his genius that aren't him just being more willing to use force and/or the threat of force against countries weaker than Russia. Its pretty easy to just bully around former republics, especially ones with large ethnic Russian populations. He managed to biff the layup that was natural gas exports to the EU, despite his dumbass comic book negotiation tactics like bringing his big black lab into meetings with Merkel. He lost the Baltic States to the Eurozone. Half of Ukraine is in open revolt against him because he chose one of the dumbest people in the world as his puppet there. His other puppets in places like Syria are bumbling fools too.

He's brutal, he's nasty, he's fearless (against weak opponents, he cowers at the west when we step up to him)...but he's not smart. Or at least not smart relative to previous Russian/Soviet leaders.


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Its in the leaked emails. Donna Brazile admitted it and resigned from CNN.


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I was listening to CNN yesterday and they spent a whole segment analyzing that some Trump supporters that they interviewed felt that "he doesn't mean what he said literally" that he was just trying to convey an idea.

The journalists couldn't wrap their heads around that - "but he said that. We are fact checking whether he can actually do what he said." They really couldn't understand the idea that he wasn't literally going to do what he said. The idea of hyperbole eluded them.


I'm late to this party.

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President Trump doing his own reporting is dangerous.


Trump can't "report". He can speak directly. Why do you feel that people need an extra layer in between?

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President Trump doing his own reporting is dangerous.


Trump can't "report". He can speak directly. Why do you feel that people need an extra layer in between?


Huh? Because this isn't Russia.

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The media rigged a debate for Hillary against Sanders. The media pushed a "he cannot win" narrative all spring that was literally written word for word by the Clinton campaign. Not only would Sanders have won with an impartial establishment media, we SHOULD have won because he would've won OH, MI, PA and WI (and thus the presidency). But the media, along with a disingenuous appeal to identity politics #HERstory, robbed the Democrats of their rightful nominee.

I dont think they really expected Trump to win until around May, and that was when you saw them get really nasty against him. The fact that they still call him a sexual predator over that silly tape, which of course caused a major "HE MUST DROP OUT" freakout from the media, is proof enough of that.



Sanders lost by more than 4 million votes and no one knows for sure if he would have won the general. He performed very poorly in non Caucus states and to be honest the media kept the Email stuff in the news the entire and promoted the notion that all the energy was with his campaign. There also wasn't any negative coverage of him.

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The media rigged a debate for Hillary against Sanders. The media pushed a "he cannot win" narrative all spring that was literally written word for word by the Clinton campaign. Not only would Sanders have won with an impartial establishment media, we SHOULD have won because he would've won OH, MI, PA and WI (and thus the presidency). But the media, along with a disingenuous appeal to identity politics #HERstory, robbed the Democrats of their rightful nominee.

I dont think they really expected Trump to win until around May, and that was when you saw them get really nasty against him. The fact that they still call him a sexual predator over that silly tape, which of course caused a major "HE MUST DROP OUT" freakout from the media, is proof enough of that.



Sanders lost by more than 4 million votes and no one knows for sure if he would have won the general. He performed very poorly in non Caucus states and to be honest the media kept the Email stuff in the news the entire and promoted the notion that all the energy was with his campaign. There also wasn't any negative coverage of him.

Right Sanders lost all the southern states that neither Clinton nor Sanders had a prayer of winning anyways. This somehow convinced the democrats all over the country that he couldn't win the states that matter.


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President Trump doing his own reporting is dangerous.


Trump can't "report". He can speak directly. Why do you feel that people need an extra layer in between?

No shit. FDR used to speak directly to the nation every week and the media never complained.

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President Trump doing his own reporting is dangerous.


Trump can't "report". He can speak directly. Why do you feel that people need an extra layer in between?


Huh? Because this isn't Russia.


Trump won't be killing reporters. I'm certain of that.

Do you think the press is reporting honestly now? Debate moderators crying at the results. One candidate getting questions in advance. Why do you trust the media?

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President Trump doing his own reporting is dangerous.


Trump can't "report". He can speak directly. Why do you feel that people need an extra layer in between?


Huh? Because this isn't Russia.


Uh, in Russia they have (for a while now) mostly state owned media enterprises.

Our current media machine isn't much better. The current establishment has proven thst they can't be trusted. Why let them having the opportunity to take, twist and filter everything?

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There also wasn't any negative coverage of him.


This was the best anyone could do:

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Right Sanders lost all the southern states that neither Clinton nor Sanders had a prayer of winning anyways. This somehow convinced the democrats all over the country that he couldn't win the states that matter.


The media definitely gave a Magical Negro effect to those southern primaries, as if old ladies in Mississippi had some special power to divine that Bernie Sanders was Actually Bad.

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Holy Christ, the reality distortion bubbles Pepe live in these days!
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