I appreciate you mention this as the system rather than just Republicans.

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I find the notion that the results jn WI, MI & PA shouldn't be challenged hilarious, especially in light of the state governments in two of those states, possible hacking and or racketeering. I find it funnier that many of the same haven't said boo about what's going on in NC, where republicans are creating a constitutional crisis with their attempts to rewrite government in a power's lame duck session.

As Zack noted, it's ok when they do it, and MANY that claim not to approve remain quiet or willfully oblivious there although they'll quickly give thousands of words when they feign disgust over what Hillary might do.

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Interesting. What about the Russian hacking to learn the systems?

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GO BEARS!!!

Great scene. Great movie.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

I'm not a partisan hack I bashed Bernie more than anyone on here. Could you say the same about yourself? I just have a problem with racist idiots running the White House. If he doesn't govern in that way fine.

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I have been posting stuff like this for years, and MANY people just refuse to believe it, because it was easy for them to vote. Some insist that people voting multiple times happens as often as people speed in their car, despite zero evidence. They're the anti-vaxxers of the political spectrum.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Even if there is proof Hillary has to accept the election results for the sake of our country. It's really that simple. Gore and Nixon had a better argument about 1 state.

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GO BEARS!!!

Ironically, I think this might be why Trump isn't a total disaster. He certainly isn't beholden to the rank and file GOP. They all actively tried to get him to lose. I can see him wheeling and dealing with both sides just to get the most things done so he can stroke his ego and say "Look at everything I was able to do!!!"

I can also see him spending a ton of time in NYC and letting Pence fuck around and he is very much an establishment rank and file dude.

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It's how Bush won Ohio in 2004. This would be a good cause for someone on the left to take up. Would be nice to see Obama champion this as his post presidency cause. Fair and open elections. What a concept.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The only person who is going to try to sue their way to a victory is Pat McCrory - Republican - NC. He's actively trying to steal it. HRC hasn't said shit.

Project much?

Do you think that could possibly be good for the country? Even Nixon didn't force the issue like that.

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Nixon attempted far worse, even after the Saturday Night Massacre embarrassed the country & office.

I don't think "good of the country" in the vein you suggest is a viable alternative at this point. To borrow one of TM's themes, there needs to be a difficult purging and acknowledgement of the current ills of our system. One man, one vote means little in most eyes, the federal judiciary and budget is being held hostage by petulant bomb throwers doing the bidding of their/our corporate overlords, civil rights mean little in some areas, and the media is completely complicit in the now brazen attempt to finish turning our country into an oligarchy. Hell it's acceptable in many circles to run against the notion of investment in public education, health or greater levels of voting while gleefully turning isolationist and bigoted in the face of changing world realities. This country needs an enema.

I'll admit that Hillary isn't the best overseer during this process, but I certainly wouldn't trust a grifter like Trump, a sniveling hypocrite like Ryan or Romney, nor a demagogue like Ted Cruz.

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I was speaking specifically about Daley stealing 1960 in Chicago.



I have no problem with complete revolution. I think even the most desperate Americans still have it a little too soft for that to really happen. We'll eventually get there. You and I probably won't be alive to see it.

I think you and I disagree on just how bigoted most of the country is. It is a fact that most of those counties in Western Pennsylvania that went for Trump this time went for Obama the last two times out. Those people didn't suddenly become racists (not that voting for Obama necessarily means a person isn't racist). Who is benefiting the most from the global economy? Not Lunchbucket Pete, that's for sure. He may not be sophisticated enough to understand that unwinding all trade deals and going backward would be a disaster in its own right. He just knows he isn't doing great. And his TV constantly assaults him with all the crap he thinks he "needs".

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I think we a way overdue for a revolt......should have happen during the Johnson administration

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

What's the endgame for a true revolt though? I don't think the United States of America can really have a revolution. We are too polarized right now. The people that would lead any revolution are too far on ends of the spectrum, I don't want a revolution spearheaded by the dopes out protesting the election and I certainly don't want it led by the dopes throwing up heil hitler salutes and calling themselves the alt-right. The true revolution would need to come from the moderate middle class and why would they want to revolt... A house, 2.5 kids, a couple of cars, whisky, crippling debt and only a path to move down the social scale. What more could an American ask for?

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She won the states with big cities....New York, California, Illinois.....why? because they have huge minority populations and she carried the minority votes. Allowing the cities to determine what is best for the nation (most of which does not reside in the big cities) is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with the current process. It best represents the nation as a whole.

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Go Cubs!!!!

You're a Great American, Hank. Heh, heh, heh, heh.

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The most predictable reply this thread will have. Are you happy you can wear your sheet in public now Steve?

Just adding to the class. I have news for you all. While there obviously has to be some racists out this way the Oh, Pa, WV belt went Trump for jobs, coal, guns and religion in no particular order. Many here can tell you exactly where they were when Obama made the clinging comment and the war on coal is serious.

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c'mon Mike, next you'll be explaining how they feel Obama actually came for their guns or religion, right?!? And, btw, the war on whale oil was just as serious. How'd that one work out?

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Time is gonna tell on that one!! Whale futures are up big, I'm watching the ticker as we speak!!!

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Why would one vote Trump for religion?

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People out here hunt and love guns what you want me to tell you? As far as the coal if you tell someone you are going to eliminate their lives/careers as an industry they might just believe you. I am only reporting from the field.

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IDK, ask the Evangelicals? Deal with the lesser devil?

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I believe you, it's just that I think their hopes are delusional, much like the old whalers and kerosene producers.

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Because their evangelic "pastors" are telling them to.

Hell, if they've been convinced of the rapture(?) or other apocalypse already, its just one more toss of the yo-yo for them in my book.

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While it is certainly a dick move, is pointing out voters with incorrect information really stealing an election?

I mean, if you move, and you don't change your address, and someone points that out then isn't it mostly the voters fault?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Once again JORR is a voice of reason in this discussion.

Yet he is a Trumpet

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You're really taking this hard. I think virtually all of us agreed that this election shouldn't be challenged.

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GO BEARS!!!

Not taking anything hard. I have enjoyed this whole process. Been amazing to watch.

Just find it ridiculous that you cannot be objective enough to see JORR is not a Trumpet.

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