Puckett better Jesus you answered your own question. Thanks.

Hey JORR answer the question. You always have a response any time you THINK you are right. Bring it on.

Particularly Puckett. What did he play, eleven or twelve seasons? And Chet's Coat justifies his selection based on what he assumes he might have done had he kept playing. That's pretty silly. I'm not even sure if he has 1000 RBI. He hit about 200 homers. Do you really think those are Hall of Fame numbers?

As far as Rice is concerned, for me it's not that he wasn't a great player, it's that he comes up a little short in the counting numbers for a Hall of Fame middle of the order slugger. He doesn't make 400 homers or 1500 RBI.

I understand that goofs like bernstein want to reorganize the Hall based on WAR. Maybe we can take out Luis Aparicio and Lou Brock and put in Kevin Kiermaier and Ben Zobrist because a bunch of guys who regurgitate Bill James like last night's Fireball think it's some absolute that stolen bases are "meaningless" and can't grasp what dynamic offensive players these guys were when they played.

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I don't think Rice being in the HOF is as egregious as people think. His average season was .298, 30 HRs, 113 RBI, 30 doubles. How those stack up to other modern day HOF left fielders I don't know but for the era he played in those are pretty solid numbers.

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Rice is the 15th-best (or: 4th-worst) among the 19 HOF LF'ers in JAWS, 13th in Peak-WAR, and 16th in overall career WAR. All of those marks are well below the average score in each category for LF'ers admitted to the Hall. He's dragging down the average, not bringing it up or maintaining it; his career wasn't that impressive or dominant for a middle-order slugging corner OF, and his peak wasn't that great for the same, especially relative to other HOF players.

If he was just a little bit better at either ends of his career (either in '74 with more PT, or in his age-34 and -35 seasons in '87 and '88), or his 7-year peak ('80 and '81, for instance) I think his candidacy is much more tolerable. However as it stands Rice was dominant in baseball (at least in the way he played it, hitting for average and power with a decent on-base tool) for only 4, maybe 5 seasons. The rest was above average, but not of the variety that, I think, warrants enshrinement as one of the game's greatest.

I think that's a fair analysis. I favor a "small Hall". Still, I don't think Rice is the poster boy for bad selections. I'd have him in before Andre Dawson for sure. And if we're gonna take guys out I'd start by looking at all those old Cardinals and Giants who got in because they were friends of John McGraw.

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