What's pissed me off most about Christmas from a parent perspective is that kid's expect quantity and in today's world, more is really fucking expensive. I can buy my daughter the phone she has been wanting, but for an iPhone SE, I'm dropping $400 and its her ONLY present as far as I'm concerned. But that is going to piss her off because you lose the ability to open a lot of presents on Christmas morning. The marketing of technology to kids is ridiculous because they know you are going to buy this shit (drones, phones, ipads, etc.) and there is nothing you can do about it, because if you don't buy it, then the kids aren't keeping up with their peers and get shit from them. And yes, I try to teach frugality as much as I can, but I always feel I'm in this insane uphill battle.

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If you don't like Christmas, you're probably a crazy person or a murderous dope.

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Or... not Catholic maybe?

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Nah, it's a solid nomination.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Forget it, he's rolling

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

DarkTrump

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Nailed it. Nicely done.

Spaulding is looking to take everyone down with her into a pit of depression and self hate.

Not good.

If a kid "expects" quantity for Christmas, then the parents must have done MANY things for the kid(s) to think that way.

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you tell 'em, Frank!

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Frank with MANY haymakers for Spaulding!

He's calling Hoffy a terrible parent there, not Spaulding. Don't make me get seacrest in this thread to spell it out for you.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

How so? Explain this please?

FavreFan with a big CHEAP SHOT at Hoffy and JORR.

It's like Pearl Harbor or 11/9!

I'm glad that FarveFan and Frank are the board experts for parenting.

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Are you saying that Christmas is a Catholic holiday only?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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Relax guy. I'm making fun of Frank for playing the parent expert here.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

It is usually the parent and not the kid. The parent doesn't think they've done enough if there aren't a thousand presents under the tree. That's why the kids expect it. I've been guilty of it.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I will be happy to go to lunch downtown at the christkindlemarket with any of you humbugs to get you in the spirit of the season

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

FarveFan making MANY posters sleep with the fishes tonight.

Not even for $52.

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I'm not sure your angle on this. Christmas is a government recognized holiday that by the letter is a religious holiday but by spirit is a national holiday; otherwise, marketers would have a limited demographic to sell to and that is bad for business.

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O.K.

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Yeah? My kids' friends are running up crazy credit debt so that their kids can have thousands of presents, so I have to deal with, "why did Grace get an iPhone 7 and a new bike and a..." Sure you can tell them that you are saving for college and they will thank me later, but right now they just don't care. Or its just a girl thing maybe?

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So, why don't you just buy the phone and let the chips fall where they may?

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Setting expectations is HUGE.

The APA has come a long way since taking homosexuality out of the DSM.

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What the hell are you talking about?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Why do that then? My kids understand the value of a dollar. $400 = one big gift. Expect smaller rest of way.