Now that our president-elect has created a new entitlement program before he has even taken office, do you think the C-level executives at Carrier should be drug tested before being allowed to receive the money? I know that keeping jobs in the U.S. is important, but this is a massive new redistribution of wealth. I think if we are going to allow the new president to push us closer towards socialism we should make sure that the beneficiaries of the redistribution of taxpayer money are worthy of receiving it, don't you?

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Freedom is our Strength.

Fine with me.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This election was, welfare for the rich vs welfare for the poor?


Still no one understands the middle class....

The middle class doesn't understand themselves. Instead of getting their kids the best education possible the way the truly wealthy do, they've been convinced that their children should study trades so they have "something they can use". Tech moves quickly. Then they have no real education and a trade they can't use.

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Freedom is our Strength.

Add in: Not understanding how expensive things are now for the next generation.

Did I miss that today is national trolling day?

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Elections have consequences.

It's actually a pretty fair point by JORR.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sure it is bit it seems like board traffic hits get low and then a innocuous thread gets started by an admin just to have a new multi page argument. Yesterday was bigotry.

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Elections have consequences.

Fuck these libtard admins for polluting this here fine message board with message board posts that I disagree with. Every post should be one that comforts my feelings!

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Where is my "Safe Place"?

I can tell you honestly, I've never thought about page views for this site. I'd like more people to post because more voices make for more interesting conversations, but I've never started a thread thinking that I was going to achieve that.

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Freedom is our Strength.

I think you started the Dicaro thread!

This, along with drug testing anybody and everybody who receives a government check (lawmakers, public employees, vendors, etc) is what goes through my mind every time I read someone on Facebook yapping about how welfare recipients should be drug tested.

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"I honestly don't see a good bet on the board here."

Sure. If it makes you happy and gets you into an Internet beef I say go for it.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Isn't that why you're here? For the Internet beefs?

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Freedom is our Strength.

No. I'm here for the gang bang.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

You're early. Scooter doesn't usually show up until the evening.

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Freedom is our Strength.

I don't really think government employees are analogous to welfare recipients.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

But they are receiving taxpayer dollars. If the standard is that we don't want taxpayer money going to people on drugs, testing them all makes sense and it's non-discriminatory.

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Freedom is our Strength.

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They are being compensated for work that was done. They are providing value to the government and being reimbursed for it. There is no value added to the government by welfare recipients.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Jobs

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Sure there is. It puts a drag on desperate people coming to Wilmette and Naperville and taking what the wealthy people have.

Seriously though, this circles back around to a discussion about what the role of government should be. The idea fundamentally changed with the New Deal and we aren't going back. The unionization of public sector workers makes them a lot closer to welfare recipients than most of those workers would like to admit.

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Freedom is our Strength.

The jokes about non-working public employees are so plentiful and obvious I wasn't sure if this was a 'bit' or not.

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"I honestly don't see a good bet on the board here."

Here is UTC's corporate policy on drugs.....

http://www.utc.com/How-We-Work/Ethics-A ... nglish.pdf


8. Workplace Environment
UTC is committed to providing its employees a
workplace that is free from known safety and
health hazards, and a work environment free
from discrimination, harassment, or personal
behavior not conducive to a productive
work climate.
All UTC entities worldwide will abide by
applicable laws and regulations regarding
possession or use of alcohol, drugs, and other
controlled substances.
Subject to local law, and subject to approval
by the Human Resources Department (at UTC
Corporate, one of the major UTC Business
Segments, or a business unit reporting directly
to either), local management has authority to
make decisions regarding the serving of alcohol
on UTC premises. UTC prohibits employees
and others from being intoxicated while on
company premises.
UTC prohibits the use, sale, purchase,
transfer, possession or presence in one’s
system of controlled drugs while on company
premises. This prohibition, of course, does not
apply to drugs which are medically prescribed
and used lawfully.

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I tried to find the employment contracts of the executives, but amazingly, they don't seem to have employment contracts. I've honestly never seen this before with a large public company.

Their disclosure to shareholders from compensation committee:

"No Employment Contracts. The Committee does not believe fixed-term executive employment contracts that guarantee minimum levels of compensation over multiple years enhance shareowner value. Accordingly, none of our executives have employment contracts, except in instances where it is required by practice or regulation outside of the U.S."

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... def14a.htm

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Are there a lot of poor people at your private high school or your steakhouse-sponsored wine festivals?

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The point that seems lost on MANY is not that it'd be some great idea to drug test these execs; it's that it's ridiculous to want to drug test welfare recipients, but if you're going to, you should do it for all of them.

I bet there would be at least the same amount of positive tests for executives that there would be for poor people. Just different drugs.

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Yeah but rich people are the only people who add value to society. Duh.

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