Props sir. Twas a funny.

If you build an ark that is 300 cubits x 50 cubits x 30 cubits, could you fit 2 of every animal that could not survive a flood inside?

Pre-humiliated Bill Cosby as Noah - "what's a cubit?"

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It depends on the definition of "kind". Plus he brought an extra flock of sheep to feed the carnivores on board.

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I think the kids that spend time in classes such as Art, Music and PE on a daily basis will do the best in the long run. There is such a thing as overkill. Spending over two hours a day on Math or English with kids who do not like it in the first place will not make them better students. It will make them hate the subject even more.

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Just so it is clear I think school prior to college should be well rounded too. An hour of Theology could be spent better. I know plenty of religious people that figured it out without it.

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Just to be clear, Rick is stating he argued a point he doesn't believe.

I get it. Sometimes it is fun to argue just for practice.

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I find it hard to believe that Rick does that.

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Huh?

Hatchetman changed my thought to something it never was and I'm clarifying.

I'm saying the value of pretty much any other class exceeds the value of spending an hour a day in Theology.

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I'm not sure that's true. Religion/belief in god has shaped our world. I'd say it's something that's worth studying.

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My analytical skills benefited enormously from the mandatory theology classes I took in high school. I still count a couple of them among the most thought-provoking educational experiences of my life. But I also had great teachers for these classes--and I think that's really what makes the difference. A great teacher can take almost any subject and turn it into an intellectual tour de force for his or her students.

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Unsurprisingly, it depends on the class. My Philosophy and History of religion classes in college were great, but that's because they took critical looks at everything. Other religion classes were just glorified Bible reading.

I had a memorable religion class in high school with a teacher named Graziano Marcheschi, who i believe is now a big shot with the Chicago Archdiocese. He taught the class from more of a philosophical angle than as strict Catholic dogma. I think he studied at Loyola so I'm sure the Jesuits had their influence on him.

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It is worth studying. I'm not sure it is worth of taking up 1/6th to 1/9th of your total school experience.

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don't huh me, bro.

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After reading Mere Christianity and then several books on the historical Jesus, there is definitely some critical thinking lessons to be learned. But you could do such exercises with any subject matter, and certainly science has plenty of opportunities for such. When children have limited class time, I am with Rick that having a daily allocation of Bible reading is not overly valuable.

Most high schools don't even have anything more than a nominal look at basic financial decision making like balancing a checkbook. Conant had one required consumer ed class. And we wonder how people get duped into taking out loans they cannot afford to pay back.

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Holy crap, I had some run ins with that guy during high school, although I don't think he was officially a faculty member where I went. He sat in on some classes I was taking and seemed to think I was a sociopath.

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like I said, all of these schools meet or, in most cases, exceed state requirements for classroom hours spent on other subjects. They have longer days and years to compensate.

The point I think you really miss is your opinion that you learn your religion by going to church. Mass is a weekly celebration of faith and a commemoration of the last supper. It provides guidance and some history but there is some deep theology that could never be covered in mass. Early grade instruction is spent in preparation to receive sacraments like first communion, reconciliation, etc. that are not necessary for the general population in a mass setting. Freshman year is spent on world religions, which is invaluable to a greater appreciation of mankind and hopefully your own faith. Then you move to the work of people like Augustine and Aquinas, which could be considered philosophy as much as theology. Contrary to popular opinion, there has been a lot of sophisticated thought by VERY. SMART. PEOPLE. on this subject over the past 2000+ years.

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He was pretty mellow when I knew him, but he was a pretty young guy then.

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TM and JORR, that reminds me of this college class that one of my colleagues took. It was all about actual, hard historical evidence of various religions. Things like real texts and artifacts and such. It was a purely non-religious look at all things religion. It wasn't like church doctrine or anything.

He said it was eye opening when you see what is taught in church vs what historical evidence shows. That's when I dove into the historical Jesus books.

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Are you saying you went to Catholic high school but would still describe your four years of classes as Bible reading?

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I think it is pretty dangerous to arm someone with religious fervor without providing them knowledge of the basis for that religion.

You see this with some of these evangelical denominations where the only requirements for leadership are reading the bible and feeling you have been called.

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one of my favorite courses in college was my Biblical and Classical Lit class. our professor was a true intellectual hippie and we got along very well. i still have my oxford edition study bible. it's certainly an important book to analyze.

A friend of mine is a PhD in Latin who focused on textural criticism. Her PhD advisor was a famous guy in the field who was occasionally asked to authenticate ancient documents. If I remember correctly, somebody had come up with an old letter ostensibly sent from Pontius Pilate back to Rome that basically said, "I've got this maniac Jesus walking around here stirring up shit. What do you want me to do with him?" They called this guy in to look at it. I'm not sure what the determination was, but it was probably fake. I think there's some doubt over whether Pilate was actually an historical person. Anyway, it's fascinating stuff.

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We didn't even have that if you were on the AP track. At that point it was expected that you were raised well enough for your parents to teach you at home. Well, guess what

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My understanding is the so-called 'Pilate Stone' all but put to bed the speculation about him really existing.

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There's less doubt Pilate existed than Jesus.

Pilate myths are pretty interesting. There are a wide range of places throughout Europe that have a claim of "Pilate slept here".

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Interesting. What are the school hours and number of days?

From what it looks like, Fenwick starts Sept. 6th and ends June 7th. My school started in the middle of August and ended around the start of June.

Well, most of those things not specifically to do with the Bible do get covered by a normal curriculum. World Cultures is a requirement and normal world history would cover similar things. Your major point seems to be that spending 1/6th to 1/9th of your day is the best use of resources while a child is in school and my opinion is that it is not and there would be more value in concentrating on other things that you don't get on Sunday mornings and from reading the Bible.

As I said, there a lot of very religious people who figured out what you said without attending a Catholic school. That leads me to believe that you don't require one dedicated hour every day to accomplish most of the things you claim are the value. I mean, I've never even read The Bible and I think I think I have a pretty good appreciation of mankind.

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Huh?

I'm the one who started this all of by saying religious was not superior.

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So I guess we agree?

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