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As I said, there a lot of very religious people who figured out what you said without attending a Catholic school. That leads me to believe that you don't require one dedicated hour every day to accomplish most of the things you claim are the value. I mean, I've never even read The Bible and I think I think I have a pretty good appreciation of mankind.


You don't but that is beside the point.

Name the Catholic that you know who has received the sacraments and not received instruction outside of mass either in catholic school or CCD?

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So I guess we agree?


Yes if you agree public school is not superior.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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[ Your major point seems to be that spending 1/6th to 1/9th of your day is the best use of resources .


Huh?

I'm the one who started this all of by saying religious was not superior.
So I guess we agree?


No. You agree with me. I said it first.

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As I said, there a lot of very religious people who figured out what you said without attending a Catholic school. That leads me to believe that you don't require one dedicated hour every day to accomplish most of the things you claim are the value. I mean, I've never even read The Bible and I think I think I have a pretty good appreciation of mankind.


You don't but that is beside the point.

Name the Catholic that you know who has received the sacraments and not received instruction outside of mass either in catholic school or CCD?
Well, being that CCD is required to get the sacraments that is a very strange question.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Jesus, why couldn't this board have been crawling with Lutherans?

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So I guess we agree?


Yes if you agree public school is not superior.
If the deeply religious on here don't think that Catholic school is superior then I feel justified in my opinion on the matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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As I said, there a lot of very religious people who figured out what you said without attending a Catholic school. That leads me to believe that you don't require one dedicated hour every day to accomplish most of the things you claim are the value. I mean, I've never even read The Bible and I think I think I have a pretty good appreciation of mankind.


You don't but that is beside the point.

Name the Catholic that you know who has received the sacraments and not received instruction outside of mass either in catholic school or CCD?
Well, being that CCD is required to get the sacraments that is a very strange question.


Faith Formation is the preferred nomenclature now.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Really? Sounds a little Evangelical to me. What's a world without kids whining about having to go to SEE-SEE-DEEEEEEEEE?

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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As I said, there a lot of very religious people who figured out what you said without attending a Catholic school. That leads me to believe that you don't require one dedicated hour every day to accomplish most of the things you claim are the value. I mean, I've never even read The Bible and I think I think I have a pretty good appreciation of mankind.


You don't but that is beside the point.

Name the Catholic that you know who has received the sacraments and not received instruction outside of mass either in catholic school or CCD?
Well, being that CCD is required to get the sacraments that is a very strange question.


Faith Formation is the preferred nomenclature now.


Still CCD here.

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As I said, there a lot of very religious people who figured out what you said without attending a Catholic school. That leads me to believe that you don't require one dedicated hour every day to accomplish most of the things you claim are the value. I mean, I've never even read The Bible and I think I think I have a pretty good appreciation of mankind.


You don't but that is beside the point.

Name the Catholic that you know who has received the sacraments and not received instruction outside of mass either in catholic school or CCD?
Well, being that CCD is required to get the sacraments that is a very strange question.


Faith Formation is the preferred nomenclature now.


Still CCD here.


Indiana ahead of the curve as usual!

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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As I said, there a lot of very religious people who figured out what you said without attending a Catholic school. That leads me to believe that you don't require one dedicated hour every day to accomplish most of the things you claim are the value. I mean, I've never even read The Bible and I think I think I have a pretty good appreciation of mankind.


You don't but that is beside the point.

Name the Catholic that you know who has received the sacraments and not received instruction outside of mass either in catholic school or CCD?
Well, being that CCD is required to get the sacraments that is a very strange question.


Faith Formation is the preferred nomenclature now.


Still CCD here.


Indiana ahead of the curve as usual!


Pence making changes!

Getting things done!

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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So I guess we agree?


Yes if you agree public school is not superior.
If the deeply religious on here don't think that Catholic school is superior then I feel justified in my opinion on the matter.


Why would it be superior simply because it taught religion?

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Well, there are a lot of dumb people spending a lot of money on an education they don't find superior.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Well, there are a lot of dumb people spending a lot of money on an education they don't find superior.



In some cases the schools are academically superior.

However, you just fully looped this back to the beginning of the discussion where I said they were paying for something different, not necessarily academically superior.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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like I said, I is not a product of Catholic schools but my kids are.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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You don't but that is beside the point.

Name the Catholic that you know who has received the sacraments and not received instruction outside of mass either in catholic school or CCD?
Well, being that CCD is required to get the sacraments that is a very strange question.


Faith Formation is the preferred nomenclature now.


Still CCD here.


Indiana ahead of the curve as usual!


Pence making changes!

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He's giving tax breaks to Catholics thinking about changing parishes! What a negotiator!

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Well, there are a lot of dumb people spending a lot of money on an education they don't find superior.



In some cases the schools are academically superior.

However, you just fully looped this back to the beginning of the discussion where I said they were paying for something different, not necessarily academically superior.
I understand that and I never disagreed.

I shared my opinion that dedicating 1/6th to 1/9th of your school day to The Bible is not the best use of what is a limited resource. Others may disagree.

Then again, I'd rather go to Costco over church on Sunday mornings so it isn't shocking I'd have a different opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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it but my opinion is that every minute spent during normal school hours that is spent studying "religion" is time wasted and a disservice to the child. That adds up to thousands of hours of school that are spent learning the same things most people learn an hour a day on Sunday mornings.


This is what you said, for reference. The first part is absurd and the second is false.

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it but my opinion is that every minute spent during normal school hours that is spent studying "religion" is time wasted and a disservice to the child. That adds up to thousands of hours of school that are spent learning the same things most people learn an hour a day on Sunday mornings.


This is what you said, for reference. The first part is absurd and the second is false.
Yeah I did and I stick by it.

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then don't say I changed your thought.

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 Post subject: Re: Bigotry
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then don't say I changed your thought.
This is where you changed my thought and made it about me thinking there was no value in the non-STEM subjects.
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Imagine if there was a school where every single child spent one hour a day reading and discussing "The Grapes of Wrath" and another school where that hour was spent on science and math. I would believe that the school that did the science and math was better allocating learning time. You could ask me to prove it but I think there are too many factors to simply break it down even though the answer is obvious that reading and discussing "The Grapes Of Wrath" is not the right answer.


actually I don't find it obvious at all. :lol: A kid that did nothing but read great literature would be FAR more educated than one who did math and science all day. Not to mention happier and a better citizen.


It then went on for a page with people talking about the value of those subjects even though that was never the point.

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TM and JORR, that reminds me of this college class that one of my colleagues took. It was all about actual, hard historical evidence of various religions. Things like real texts and artifacts and such. It was a purely non-religious look at all things religion. It wasn't like church doctrine or anything.

He said it was eye opening when you see what is taught in church vs what historical evidence shows. That's when I dove into the historical Jesus books.



A friend of mine is a PhD in Latin who focused on textural criticism. Her PhD advisor was a famous guy in the field who was occasionally asked to authenticate ancient documents. If I remember correctly, somebody had come up with an old letter ostensibly sent from Pontius Pilate back to Rome that basically said, "I've got this maniac Jesus walking around here stirring up shit. What do you want me to do with him?" They called this guy in to look at it. I'm not sure what the determination was, but it was probably fake. I think there's some doubt over whether Pilate was actually an historical person. Anyway, it's fascinating stuff.


There's less doubt Pilate existed than Jesus.

Pilate myths are pretty interesting. There are a wide range of places throughout Europe that have a claim of "Pilate slept here".


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So in summary, you think I am abusing my children, even though the preponderance of the evidence suggests that children that attend catholic schools have higher test scores, graduation rates, college admittance, college graduation, and lifetime incomes?

Nice having a logical discussion with you.

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Jesus, why couldn't this board have been crawling with Lutherans?


Ugh. Baptized Lutheran. Went all the way through confirmation. Hated the whole experience. The fine folks at Our Saviors in Arlington were easily some of the most grating people I've ever had the misfortune to come across.

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Jesus, why couldn't this board have been crawling with Lutherans?

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So in summary, you think I am abusing my children, even though the preponderance of the evidence suggests that children that attend catholic schools have higher test scores, graduation rates, college admittance, college graduation, and lifetime incomes?

Nice having a logical discussion with you.
:lol: Take it however you want.

However, here is some nice light reading for you since you asked before for this kind of stuff and for this topic I can provide it!
http://ciep.hunter.cuny.edu/catholicschools/
http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-catholic-schools-not-superior-to-public-schools/
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/october-2012/measuring-the-effect-of-school-choice-on-economic-outcomes

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Lot of effort goes into discrediting the facts. I wonder why that could be?

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Lot of effort goes into discrediting the facts. I wonder why that could be?
I'll post what the St. Louis Fed said.
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Should I Send My Child to an Expensive School?

Although our findings suggest that attending parochial and private high schools may have long-run economic benefits, it is important to keep in mind that students who attend Catholic and private schools come from a nonrandom sample. Students at these schools may have traits that contribute to their academic and economic achievement. Economists call this "selection bias," and its presence can negate causality in a relationship. Thus, the observed correlation between school type and economic outcomes may arise because students who attend private schools are inherently more likely to succeed regardless of where they are educated.

As a result, the returns to the type of high school a student attends may be a better indicator of a student's ability or family finances rather than the school's effect.8 This issue provides evidence for the match-quality measure of school type, assuming individuals who choose the school in which they enroll are selecting the school based on unquantifiable aspects of fit, such as values. As a parent, what matters may be simply focusing on a child's education regardless of the school a child attends.


What is their agenda exactly?

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So I guess we agree?


Yes if you agree public school is not superior.
Do you believe public and private school is roughly the same? If not, then this was a very strange comment.

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You're the bigot here. You stated I am doing a disservice to my children despite the fact that ALL the evidence shows that Catholic schools are AT WORST equal to public schools in terms of academic achievement.

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