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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:09 am 
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There is no reason to stop at executives or welfare recipients. How many of you guys take tax deductions for charity or home mortgage interest. You are getting special benefits. We should drug test every single person in this country. We should also set up a surveillance network to root out corruption and bad behavior. I mean seriously, if you are following the law, you have nothing to hide.

In the end we will reduce crime and everyone will be safer. We'll be well on our way to abolishing the police. Who needs them anyway? Then we will have a Bernstein Show where he won't sarcastically say, "they're taking away our freedoms", but instead he will say it in all seriousness.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:13 am 
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I bet there would be at least the same amount of positive tests for executives that there would be for poor people. Just different drugs.


Yeah but rich people are the only people who add value to society. Duh.


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Sure there is. It puts a drag on desperate people coming to Wilmette and Naperville and taking what the wealthy people have.


Are there a lot of poor people at your private high school or your steakhouse-sponsored wine festivals?


There were many poor people at my private high school who were there to learn how to operate lathes and work on cars. Not many of us were on the college prep plan.

I don't know the median income of Wine Week attendees, but you should definitely come with me next time!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:10 am 
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I will go under two conditions:

- There is bourbon

- We bring Nas and introduce everyone to a PoC. They might be frightened at first, but it's good for them.

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I heard on the news if Trump saved 1000 jobs every week of his Presidency,that would only cover 4% of the manufacturing jobs lost in this country since 2000.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:42 am 
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leashyourkids wrote:
I will go under two conditions:

- There is bourbon

- We bring Nas and introduce everyone to a PoC. They might be frightened at first, but it's good for them.


Yes, I will invite Nas too, but he probably won't be the only PoC in our group. It's usually in April. After getting loaded on wine we do a pub crawl downtown. Plenty of whiskey! That is how I got booted out of Tavern on Rush for falling asleep.

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Now that our president-elect has created a new entitlement program before he has even taken office, do you think the C-level executives at Carrier should be drug tested before being allowed to receive the money? I know that keeping jobs in the U.S. is important, but this is a massive new redistribution of wealth. I think if we are going to allow the new president to push us closer towards socialism we should make sure that the beneficiaries of the redistribution of taxpayer money are worthy of receiving it, don't you?


This, along with drug testing anybody and everybody who receives a government check (lawmakers, public employees, vendors, etc) is what goes through my mind every time I read someone on Facebook yapping about how welfare recipients should be drug tested.
I don't really think government employees are analogous to welfare recipients.


But they are receiving taxpayer dollars. If the standard is that we don't want taxpayer money going to people on drugs, testing them all makes sense and it's non-discriminatory.

agreed. Let's do it.

Every taxpayer should be drug tested. We have a heroin epidemic and no one seems to care. It's the people you least expect.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:19 pm 
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The point that seems lost on MANY is not that it'd be some great idea to drug test these execs; it's that it's ridiculous to want to drug test welfare recipients, but if you're going to, you should do it for all of them.

I bet there would be at least the same amount of positive tests for executives that there would be for poor people. Just different drugs.


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If they started drug testing the CEOs or whoever just to "protect the shareholders" people might go for it.


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Yes, I will invite Nas too, but he probably won't be the only PoC in our group. It's usually in April. After getting loaded on wine we do a pub crawl downtown. Plenty of whiskey! That is how I got booted out of Tavern on Rush for falling asleep.


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If they started drug testing the CEOs or whoever just to "protect the shareholders" people might go for it.


You might find this CEO interesting...the stock option backdating piece was a big insurance loss in our industry as it happened at many companies. But the drugs and other stuff, well, one can only guess at how pervasive that stuff is.


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5 Jun 2008 at 22:41, Austin Modine

More proof arrives today that we should have befriended the folks at Broadcom in the early part of this decade.

Broadcom co-founder and former CEO Henry Nicholas has been indicted on charges unsealed today of illegal stock-option backdating, which resulted in the largest financial restatement (a write down of $2.2bn in profits) related to the crime in US history — and that's the boring part.

A second indictment unsealed this morning charges Nicholas with maintaining and distributing drugs from his various homes, supplying hired prostitutes with controlled substances, spiking customer and employee drinks with ecstasy, and other surprising drug-related charges.

One incident alleges Nicholas and others smoked so much marijuana during a flight on his private plane between Orange County and Las Vegas that the pilot had to put on an oxygen mask.

Meanwhile Michael Dell's team serves us some lousy roast beef sandwiches at press events.

According to the indictment, over a nine-year period, Nicholas used his home in Laguna Hills and Newport Coast, a warehouse in Laguna Niguel, and a condominium in Las Vegas to distribute ecstasy, cocaine and methamphetamine.

Nicholas is also accused of using ecstasy to spike the drinks of industry executives and employees of Broadcom customers. (Although how giving someone a psychoactive drug without them noticing is beyond us — much less how it aides in making a semiconductor sale when a person has a sudden uncontrollable fascination with their zipper.)

We've seen similar allegations in a lawsuit filed last year by former aide Kenji Kato. Evidently the US government has decided there's some substance to his claims.

The federal narcotics charges carry a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years in federal prison.

Nicholas along with former Broadcom CFO William Ruehle have been named in the indictment about the stock-option backdating scheme. Ruehle has not been accused of involvement the drug-related charges.

Los Angeles Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI, Salvador Hernandez stated: "The defendants are accused of deliberately manipulating their company's public filings, and by their failure to remain accountable, contributing to a degree of mistrust in the marketplace."

Both are expected to appear before a US Magistrate judge this afternoon. Nicholas surrendered himself to the FBI this morning, according to the US Attorney's Office. ®
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We've obtained a copy of the drugs indictment, and have it available here (PDF warning).

Among the more interesting claims in the indictment are allegations that Nicholas bought a commercial warehouse in Laguna Niguel, California as a party-going hideaway. The filing says Nicholas built and furnished private rooms in the warehouse with art, furniture and electronics, and instructed co-conspirators to maintain a supply of cocaine, ecstasy and meth on the premise.

The filing lists repeated invoices for bulk purchases of drugs, including a January 2001 "ballpark budget" for 225 tablets of ecstasy for a Superbowl party at the warehouse. Usually the invoices (Really? Drug invoices?) used code-words such as "supplies," and "party favors." However, one time an apparently sloppy alleged co-conspirator wrote an invoice for 50 tablets of ecstasy described as "E," which was quickly reworked to say "refreshments."

The indictment also claims Nicholas constructed an underground room and tunnel beneath his Rodeo residence for drug use. It also alleges Nicholas used threats of physical violence, death, and bribed people to conceal his drug use.

A copy of Nicholas' stock-option backdating indictment is also available here (again, PDF warning).

The prosecution claims that Nicholas should be detained until trial due in part to his excessive wealth making him a flight risk and alleged history of threatening witnesses. The filing describes one alleged assault where Nicholas took his longtime friend and former personal attorney on a trip to Oakland on one of his private jets. During the flight, Nicholas is said to have taken his friend to the back of the jet where he accused the man of wearing a wire for the government. Nicholas allegedly told the man he would "chase him to the end of the Earth" if he "screwed him" by cooperating with the government, then struck the man in the face.

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