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This is a very interesting thread.
Yup. A guy I'm pretty sure voted for Trump called me a bigot.

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This is a very interesting thread.
Yup. A guy I'm pretty sure voted for Trump called me a bigot.


Going for a record as to how many times one person can be wrong in one thread? :lol:

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That happens at all the good schools though. The top rated public schools all can thank that kind of stuff too.


I don't know who is thanking what or why? I have no idea what you are trying to say or what your point is.
You think your school would be a mess without parental involvement, extra money coming in from parents, and the students are being tutored or getting extra help. That also describes what really makes a place like New Trier or Hinsdale Central or one of the other elite public schools. It's not a bad thing either.

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This is a very interesting thread.
Yup. A guy I'm pretty sure voted for Trump called me a bigot.


Going for a record as to how many times one person can be wrong in one thread? :lol:
I wasn't going to pass up a good joke.

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I see a pretty good correlation between entitled travel sports parents and entitled Catholic school parents. That backhanded enough for you?


It's been my experience public school parents are more entitled than the private school parents.


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I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.

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You think your school would be a mess without parental involvement, extra money coming in from parents, and the students are being tutored or getting extra help. That also describes what really makes a place like New Trier or Hinsdale Central or one of the other elite public schools. It's not a bad thing either.


I was duped. Had I known this 5 years ago I'd probably have sent them to a Catholic school. I'd have spent the same amount of money and had less headaches. The public school system is working against the public and I don't think the quality of education is that good.


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I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.


We get that comment about our kids quite frequently. And as you can tell from my manners and language, it doesn't come from dad.....

My in laws are still trying to figure out why their kids don't behave as well as ours.

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Just reading these last five pages now. I personally wouldn't blame Hatchetman if he decided to murder Rick.

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good dolphin wrote:
I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.


I think this is what Rick is talking about. The idea that one can only acquire those traits through Catholic school is preposterous.

After his sixth birthday in October, my older son said that he wanted to give some of his gifts to kids who won't get any presents for Christmas. So, that is what he and my wife will be doing on Sunday. We didn't ask him to do this, he volunteered. I couldn't be prouder of him. He is smart, polite, respectful, and cares about others. He attends public school, and has never set foot in a church.

Growing up, there were five of us boys all within a few months in age. I'd like to think that we were all pretty normal for the most part. One kid had some religious whackos for parents. He later got into trouble for exposing himself to a couple of teenaged girls. Good thing that he had a good moral compass.

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You think your school would be a mess without parental involvement, extra money coming in from parents, and the students are being tutored or getting extra help. That also describes what really makes a place like New Trier or Hinsdale Central or one of the other elite public schools. It's not a bad thing either.


I was duped. Had I known this 5 years ago I'd probably have sent them to a Catholic school. I'd have spent the same amount of money and had less headaches. The public school system is working against the public and I don't think the quality of education is that good.


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I think the overall experience at a Catholic school is much better than the overall experience at a public school.
Why?


I would like to know this as well. More than anything, I almost thing an education at any private religious institution, prior to college, would actually be more sheltered and repressive.


I am reading this late so it may have been answered in subsequent posts... FOR ME, there was a value in private Catholic school that was not strictly due to academics and religion. I grew up in a rough area for school. It provided a safe, comfortable, supportive situation for which to be taught. It was with smallish class sizes and yes even had discipline. Not nuns beating me but in the way respect for one another and accountability are learned. Maybe this is no longer true and it is outdated but that is a clear difference from public school independent of religious teachings.

For the record, my kids go to public suburban schools (when they were of that age for some). There isn't too much Catholic school out here and suburban schools I have found do not have the city problems when I was younger.

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Chus wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.


I think this is what Rick is talking about. The idea that one can only acquire those traits through Catholic school is preposterous. .


What is with you guys in not reading my posts? I said the exact opposite. You didn't even read my posts responding to Rick not reading my posts.

I am repeating what I was told by a professional in the field. I don't vouch for anything implied or explicit.

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pittmike wrote:
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I think the overall experience at a Catholic school is much better than the overall experience at a public school.
Why?


I would like to know this as well. More than anything, I almost thing an education at any private religious institution, prior to college, would actually be more sheltered and repressive.


I am reading this late so it may have been answered in subsequent posts... FOR ME, there was a value in private Catholic school that was not strictly due to academics and religion. I grew up in a rough area for school. It provided a safe, comfortable, supportive situation for which to be taught. It was with smallish class sizes and yes even had discipline. Not nuns beating me but in the way respect for one another and accountability are learned. Maybe this is no longer true and it is outdated but that is a clear difference from public school independent of religious teachings.

For the record, my kids go to public suburban schools (when they were of that age for some). There isn't too much Catholic school out here and suburban schools I have found do not have the city problems when I was younger.


See, so this is what I was looking for. Along with pittmike's buddy denis, who lives in a seemingly shitty public school area by description, I can completely understand where a private school might be a better option. Where I don't get it are in areas where the public schools are actually good...short of someone wanting their kids to focus on the religious aspect, or they're just a front-running elitist asswipe, it seems like a colossal waste of money.

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good dolphin wrote:
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I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.


I think this is what Rick is talking about. The idea that one can only acquire those traits through Catholic school is preposterous. .


What is with you guys in not reading my posts? I said the exact opposite. You didn't even read my posts responding to Rick not reading my posts.

I am repeating what I was told by a professional in the field. I don't vouch for anything implied or explicit.


Where did I say that you believe that? It's clear that there are people who do believe it, such as the person you cited.

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I'm not whining nor crying. Just pointing out your bigotry like anyone else would when someone made baseless claims about their race/religion/sexual preference, whatever.
I didn't say anything negative about Catholicism in this thread. I am in fact, at least kind of, a Catholic myself.

You're obviously sensitive about the subject and lashing out with the laughable claim that it makes me a bigot to think that not having a class a day that centers around The Bible is better than having a class a day that does.



Being sort of a Catholic you may want to drop this phrase you have used a lot in the thread. If you recall from your really a Catholic days the Bible as a whole is not as big a item in Catholic teachings as say Evangelical sects. New testament gospels and church doctrine is not studying the Bible in other ways.

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Almost without exception, the parents are engaged in their child's learning. The teachers aren't burdened with kids who get no parent support.

Yeah, that tends to happen when they're all putting down thousands of dollars a year on their kids.


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I'm not whining nor crying. Just pointing out your bigotry like anyone else would when someone made baseless claims about their race/religion/sexual preference, whatever.
I didn't say anything negative about Catholicism in this thread. I am in fact, at least kind of, a Catholic myself.

You're obviously sensitive about the subject and lashing out with the laughable claim that it makes me a bigot to think that not having a class a day that centers around The Bible is better than having a class a day that does.



Being sort of a Catholic you may want to drop this phrase you have used a lot in the thread. If you recall from your really a Catholic days the Bible as a whole is not as big a item in Catholic teachings as say Evangelical sects. New testament gospels and church doctrine is not studying the Bible in other ways.
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This is a very interesting thread.


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good dolphin wrote:
I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.



Mine got that from football but that is a thread for Monday's clicks. :lol:

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
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sjboyd0137 wrote:
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I think the overall experience at a Catholic school is much better than the overall experience at a public school.
Why?


I would like to know this as well. More than anything, I almost thing an education at any private religious institution, prior to college, would actually be more sheltered and repressive.


I am reading this late so it may have been answered in subsequent posts... FOR ME, there was a value in private Catholic school that was not strictly due to academics and religion. I grew up in a rough area for school. It provided a safe, comfortable, supportive situation for which to be taught. It was with smallish class sizes and yes even had discipline. Not nuns beating me but in the way respect for one another and accountability are learned. Maybe this is no longer true and it is outdated but that is a clear difference from public school independent of religious teachings.

For the record, my kids go to public suburban schools (when they were of that age for some). There isn't too much Catholic school out here and suburban schools I have found do not have the city problems when I was younger.


See, so this is what I was looking for. Along with pittmike's buddy denis, who lives in a seemingly shitty public school area by description, I can completely understand where a private school might be a better option. Where I don't get it are in areas where the public schools are actually good...short of someone wanting their kids to focus on the religious aspect, or they're just a front-running elitist asswipe, it seems like a colossal waste of money.


You say that like it would not be a primary incentive. Catholic school is a great place to learn about Catholicism.

I think we've exhausted this discussion.

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pittmike wrote:
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I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.



Mine got that from football but that is a thread for Monday's clicks. :lol:

:lol:

Sports and Catholic school is the only place kids can learn responisibility and respect.

It might get 20 pages.

Don't forget to start it on Monday.

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good dolphin wrote:
I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.



Mine got that from football but that is a thread for Monday's clicks. :lol:

:lol:

Sports and Catholic school is the only place kids can learn responisibility and respect.

It might get 20 pages.

Don't forget to start it on Monday.

Football, not sports. Nobody learns shit from playing a pussy sport like baseball.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
pittmike wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.



Mine got that from football but that is a thread for Monday's clicks. :lol:

:lol:

Sports and Catholic school is the only place kids can learn responisibility and respect.

It might get 20 pages.

Don't forget to start it on Monday.


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good dolphin wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
pittmike wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
I think the overall experience at a Catholic school is much better than the overall experience at a public school.
Why?


I would like to know this as well. More than anything, I almost thing an education at any private religious institution, prior to college, would actually be more sheltered and repressive.


I am reading this late so it may have been answered in subsequent posts... FOR ME, there was a value in private Catholic school that was not strictly due to academics and religion. I grew up in a rough area for school. It provided a safe, comfortable, supportive situation for which to be taught. It was with smallish class sizes and yes even had discipline. Not nuns beating me but in the way respect for one another and accountability are learned. Maybe this is no longer true and it is outdated but that is a clear difference from public school independent of religious teachings.

For the record, my kids go to public suburban schools (when they were of that age for some). There isn't too much Catholic school out here and suburban schools I have found do not have the city problems when I was younger.


See, so this is what I was looking for. Along with pittmike's buddy denis, who lives in a seemingly shitty public school area by description, I can completely understand where a private school might be a better option. Where I don't get it are in areas where the public schools are actually good...short of someone wanting their kids to focus on the religious aspect, or they're just a front-running elitist asswipe, it seems like a colossal waste of money.


You say that like it would not be a primary incentive. Catholic school is a great place to learn about Catholicism.

I think we've exhausted this discussion.


This is obvious. I was taking a shot at non-religious types who live in a great school districts that want to send their kids to a religious school because they're elitist snobs.

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pittmike wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.



Mine got that from football but that is a thread for Monday's clicks. :lol:

:lol:

Sports and Catholic school is the only place kids can learn responisibility and respect.

It might get 20 pages.

Don't forget to start it on Monday.


I am not an Admin/Investor here.


Let's be honest Mike.

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After his sixth birthday in October, my older son said that he wanted to give some of his gifts to kids who won't get any presents for Christmas. So, that is what he and my wife will be doing on Sunday. We didn't ask him to do this, he volunteered. I couldn't be prouder of him. He is smart, polite, respectful, and cares about others. He attends public school, and has never set foot in a church.



That's cool to hear. There's no doubt in my mind it is because your children have great parents.

In no way have I meant to imply that school is the sole or even primary place where morals and values can be taught. In the end, things that happen inside the home are going to have the biggest influence on children. When the school's value line up with the things being taught at home, it just makes both the parents' and teachers' jobs easier.

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pittmike wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.



Mine got that from football but that is a thread for Monday's clicks. :lol:

:lol:

Sports and Catholic school is the only place kids can learn responisibility and respect.

It might get 20 pages.

Don't forget to start it on Monday.

Football, not sports. Nobody learns shit from playing a pussy sport like baseball.


I didn't mean it to exclude other sports. Unfortunately, my kid hated baseball and never wanted to try to learn it.

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good dolphin wrote:
I have kids in both.

I like both for different reasons.

Anecdotally, I went in for a roundtable with some of the faculty and one of the people said she could tell my son came from catholic school because he had a developed moral compass and was respectful.



Mine got that from football but that is a thread for Monday's clicks. :lol:

:lol:

Sports and Catholic school is the only place kids can learn responisibility and respect.

It might get 20 pages.

Don't forget to start it on Monday.

Football, not sports. Nobody learns shit from playing a pussy sport like baseball.


A billion pages.

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