Problems with Charters

1. Quality of instruction. Charter school teachers are more often than not uncertified. They are untrained to teach in most cases.

2. High turnover rate amongst the staff and the administration. Tremendous amount of instability in charter schools.

3. Stigmatized for being the educational system for poor and impoverished neighborhoods.

4. There is a reason that affluent neighborhoods fight like hell to keep them out. If Charters provide better schooling, then why are they relegated to poorer neighborhoods.

5. Typically are outperformed by corresponding neighborhood schools. That shouldn't happen given the fact that Charters have an opportunity to select which students that want to admit. They also have the opportunity to remove undesirable students. Neighborhood schools have neither.

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Wow. just wow. I didn't see this coming. JORR was right.

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I don't think I've said this before but Conns is right. Absolutely right.

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Sort of.

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So if the teachers at Dundee Crown and your school switched jobs, so would ACT scores?

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Please elaborate on this thought if you are able to. Thank you.

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Both you and Spaulding are making false assumptions about public education based primarily on misleading stats and preconceived notions. If your kid is a good student with good grades he/she will be in advanced classes and will continue to excel in a public school.

As for money - it's not a solution by itself but you'd have to admit that well funded school districts have a distinct advantage over poor communities. Btw, when the church stops asking for more money that will be a true miracle.

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There's not much to elaborate on. Unless I am reading him wrong it seems that Den is essentially saying private school teachers are better than "union equivalents". I thought JORRs initial post was absurd but now I'm not so sure.

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I've never gone to a private school and don't know many people who have, so this might be one of my usual uninformed comments, but isn't the expectation that a private school teacher should be better if you are paying X thousands of dollars more a year? I don't really see the fault in the Denis post you quoted.

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Private school teachers make considerably less money than public school teachers. A ten year veteran in the Chicagoland area will make anywhere from 30k to 60k less in the private school system.

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As for charter schools, community-based charters can provide good alternative schooling for kids with autism, for instance. It's the big corporate charters you shouldn't trust.

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He specifically said equivalent union teacher. There were arguments made in previous posts as to why there may be advantages to paying x thousand of dollars. Class size, expectations etc. That's different than "better teachers". Actually I believe private school teachers are actually paid less on average. IMO many parents are paying to keep their kids away from "the other kids."

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So then the problem isn't charter schools at all. It's inadequate funding for public schools. Why are people demonizing Denis for sending his kids to private/charter schools?

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That's bullshit, though. Don't accuse Denis of racism without more evidence than "sending his kid to a private school".

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Did I say racist? I took offense to his shot at union teachers. For the record I don't think Den is a racist. He is a private school supremacist

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But let's be real for a second. What did "the other kids" refer to? Race was clearly a factor in that post.

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No I'm not. I'm saying what I'm saying because I don't think my kids are being well educated. They flip kids around based on tests that make no sense. They don't even use the results of the PARCC tests for anything which they don't get til the next school year and some of their work is geared towards being able to answer those questions. If your kid is a good student they will be okay eventually (at least that's what I've been told) but the grade school years are being wasted and they aren't prepared for middle and high school. Some of the smarter kids aren't getting the instruction they need at the grade school level, the average kids are struggling, the below average get lots of help but I don't know that that gives them the results they want.

I don't think there is much difference between private and public teachers. There is a difference between the systems in which they work.

Good Stuff. Thanks.

Not necessarily. There are kids with psychological, emotional, learning, and behavioral problems that have nothing to do with race or economic status.

Who are the undesirables they are keeping out?

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No it wasn't race based at all. It's a prejudice against the general public. A belief that public schools are more likely to expose kids to bad influences.

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Are you of the opinion your kids are better off not interacting with such students?

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You are a giant piece of shit and just in no uncertain terms called people that prefer their kids go to catholic school hitler.

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The ability to select from amongst the very best of a given pool often determines what type of school you will have. Private schools are no exception. North Side Prep is one of the top schools in this country. If you take their teachers and place them in about 97% of the schools I've worked in the results would be the same or possibly worse.

If it was all about the teachers then there wouldn't be a need for selective enrollment of any kind.

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It might be possible that they start wide eyed in parochial school and actually care about kids more than protecting shit in a union?

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Be honest? Dennis' kids are white. Guess what? The majority of the parents of this board want their kids to be the best they can be like sports. Is anyone suggesting you make too much money send your kids to Englewood for a life experience? No! Blow your liberalism out your ass until you send your kids into the shit.

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Mike is drunk.

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I wouldn't say better off not interacting, it's mostly good. I think my kids will do fine as zippy said the smarter kids are usually okay and I'm involved. There are assholes and good people you need to be understanding of all thru life. When kids are left completely disciplined or it has a negative effect on your child's education it becomes more difficult to navigate. When something is wrong - it's wrong. People gloss over it, think it's okay, don't want to create a problem, don't treat things with common sense, etc. My parents sent me to private schools and I see the difference in kids, parents, and the way things go.

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As shit!

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