Yes Leash. That was my argument so long ago. It just doesn't make sense at all. But others argument as sometimes goes... what about the people hurting? I basically said write blue cross a government check or single payer. You can't do both.

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I used to try to be honest and straight-forward with most people.

Then I started working in PBM.

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Health care seems to be treated as though it's different from other services... as though it's free. It's not and never will be. That's why I hate it when people call it a "right". It's not a right anymore than owning a house is a right.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Owning real estate may not be a universal right, but do you think there's a basic right to shelter in a developed nation?

I think a developed nation does have to take care of its sick and elderly, as all of them do. I don't even think anyone has an expectation of swinging by the hospital over the weekend for a free dick-lengthening, just the expectation that if your kid breaks his hand at the neighbor kid's house or you get hit by a car crossing the street or you find out you have some terrible disease, you won't go bankrupt just trying to live.

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The drug companies run all of it. Every ailment every person has needs a drug to cure it. Bullshit. That is why the system is fucked up.

Owning real estate may not be a universal right, but do you think there's a basic right to shelter in a developed nation?

I think a developed nation does have to take care of its sick and elderly, as all of them do. I don't even think anyone has an expectation of swinging by the hospital over the weekend for a free dick-lengthening, just the expectation that if your kid breaks his hand at the neighbor kid's house or you get hit by a car crossing the street or you find out you have some terrible disease, you won't go bankrupt just trying to live.

Owning real estate may not be a universal right, but do you think there's a basic right to shelter in a developed nation?

I think a developed nation does have to take care of its sick and elderly, as all of them do. I don't even think anyone has an expectation of swinging by the hospital over the weekend for a free dick-lengthening, just the expectation that if your kid breaks his hand at the neighbor kid's house or you get hit by a car crossing the street or you find out you have some terrible disease, you won't go bankrupt just trying to live.

There's a happy middle ground we have yet to find legislatively. The entire village should not be charged with paying for the individual though, as too many individuals will take advantage of such a system. For example, I smoke Marlboro reds, and based on your posts I am quite sure you do not use tobacco. Should you be responsible for subsidizing my bad choices? Replace me and Marlboro reds with Julie DiCaro and Big Macs and it's the same principle. The ACA doesn't address shit like this.

You're right. I should celebrate your booze, Marlboro reds and everyone else that doesn't work. Everyone quote me here "this is a great way for a capatiist society to run".

There's a happy middle ground we have yet to find legislatively. The entire village should not be charged with paying for the individual though, as too many individuals will take advantage of such a system. For example, I smoke Marlboro reds, and based on your posts I am quite sure you do not use tobacco. Should you be responsible for subsidizing my bad choices? Replace me and Marlboro reds with Julie DiCaro and Big Macs and it's the same principle. The ACA doesn't address shit like this.

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Correct, and this is the crux of my argument. I think that in a society as rich as ours, we ought to provide basic health care to every citizen. But that's just a philosophical statement. The real work comes in when you try to figure out how to do that. That's the part that advocates of universal health care tend to conveniently forget. Health care takes resources. We have to figure out how to balance those resources to be both efficient and "equal." Just saying that everyone deserves health care is Liberal claptrap.

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Well it ain't that simple. ObamaCare forced insurers to pay out a minimum of 85% of premiums as losses, and any less is returned to policyholders. So they put a cap on profits. Since companies were forced to take all comers, they also put in a stop loss for when companies had combined ratios above 100%. That is the risk corridor. The problem is, for all the companies who lost money, the government hasn't been paying out. So they capped profits, forced companies to take poor health risk, and promised to spread the wealth across the industry. But they didn't make good on that promise of spreading the wealth.

It is just another case of bad government policy hurting the market. I wouldn't support a bailout. They deserve to lose money for playing ball with the ObamaCare. Everyone in insurance knew it is a house of cards.

It's completely un-American to suggest that health insurance shouldn't be commoditized.

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There is a basic responsibility to provide shelter to the unfortunate. Is it a right? I don't think the Constitution calls it out, but I suspect at some point the Supremes decided to grant it through judicial activism.

There is NOT a basic right to shelter in whichever high-priced location you want to live.

Link to excel for 50th percentile rents by county for the entire US. https://www.huduser.gov/portal/datasets/50per.html

4686 records in the 50 US plus DC. (More records for Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. but I deleted those). "Median of the medians" studio cost across county records was $604 per month. Cheapest median studios cost $380-$400 in mostly GA/AR/TN/KY. Cheapest in Illinois was $423 in Knox County downstate. Highest nationwide was over $2000 in the Bay Area. For a fucking studio.

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Yeah, I know. Health care seems to be treated as though it's different from other services... as though it's free. It's not and never will be. That's why I hate it when people call it a "right". It's not a right anymore than owning a house is a right. Now, saying that we live in a society that is wealthy enough that everyone should have it is fine... but that's not the same as a right.

This is stupid. Why isn't being able to get health care a right?

Spoken like a true cocksucker of privilege. There should be single payer, but that would require the government to start regulating the shitty food industry in an effort to keep people from getting fat and sick in the first place. lolz

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This is stupid. Why isn't being able to get health care a right?

the market should involve a ban on for-profit health insurance