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Is it ok to ban these two books because of the words used in them?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:29 pm 
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I'm pretty firmly against this, but I think the mother who requested this does have a valid explanation.

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A school district in Virginia temporarily suspended the use of two classic American novels after a
concerned mother complained about the racial slurs in them.

The novels in question are “To Kill a Mockingbird” by Harper Lee and “Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” by Mark Twain. Scholars hold both books in high regard for their literary merit and the anti-racist themes that were progressive for their respective eras.

Nevertheless, both novels have been repeatedly challenged in school libraries over the years for the books’ frequent use of the N word, which appears 219 times in “Huckleberry Finn” and 48 times in “To Kill a Mockingbird.” Both books rank among the most banned and challenged in U.S. history.

In the latest case, a parent of a child in Accomack County Public Schools filed a “Request for Reconsideration of Learning Resources” form challenging the use of both books in the school curriculum after speaking at a school board meeting last month, CBS affiliate WTVR reported Thursday.

On Nov. 15, she told the school board that her child is biracial and that he’s having trouble reading past one page that has the N word on it seven times. She suggested that the students read other books because assigning “Huckleberry Finn,” she argued, “validates that these words are acceptable.”

“I keep hearing ‘This is a classic, this is a classic.’ I understand that … but at some point I feel the children do not truly get the classic part … but there are so much racial slurs in there and offensive wording that you can’t get past that,” the mother can be heard saying in an audio recording of the meeting. “Right now, our nation is divided as it is. I teach my son he is the best of both worlds, and I do not want him to feel otherwise.”

The superintendent for Accomack County Public Schools did not respond to a request for comment from Yahoo News.

Roger Lathbury, a professor of English at George Mason University, said the N-word was freely used in many 19th century books and even in early 20th century ones.

“That the word did not have the same racial charge in the 19th century when Twain wrote does not count for the banners,” he told Yahoo News on Friday. “That partly is understandable because grade and high school students usually do not read with a sophisticated historical sense; on the other hand, it is simplistic thinking.”

Lathbury, who specializes in early American fiction and modern British poetry, pointed out that “Huckleberry Finn” was banned in Boston and elsewhere when it was first published in the U.S. in 1885 for reasons that had nothing to do with racial slurs.

“The reason was that Huckleberry Finn was judged to be too low class for literature, too rough and uncivilized a person for readers to focus on,” he said. “Of course, that is exactly Twain’s point — to be ‘sivilized’ is to be on the wrong side of human values — but the banners did not redline the book for that reason; they wanted a more acceptable hero, closer to Tom Sawyer.”

The American Library Association (ALA), a pro-library nonprofit that promotes freedom of expression, says books are usually challenged on the grounds of shielding children from sexual content or offensive language, which was the case in Accomack County.

According to the ALA’s “Library Bill of Rights,” librarians and governing bodies should respect that only parents have the right to restrict their own children’s access to library resources. The organization maintains that libraries violate the First Amendment if they censor constitutionally protected speech.
Some people have attempted to thread the needle on the controversy. In 2011, professor Alan Gribben sparked widespread controversy when he announced that he would publish expurgated versions of “Huckleberry Finn” and “The Adventures of Tom Sawyer,” another Twain book that uses the N word.

In the forward to this edition, Gribben explained that he has given instruction on both books for nearly 40 years and would always recoil from uttering the racial epithet during his lessons. He started to substitute other words for the N word to the students’ relief and wanted to provide an alternative edition for teachers who felt uncomfortable with the word but did not want to abandon Twain’s masterpiece altogether.

“I invariably substituted the word ‘slave’ for Twain’s ubiquitous N word whenever I read any passages aloud,” he wrote. “Students and audience members seemed to prefer this expedient, and I could detect a visible sense of relief each time, as though a nagging problem with the text had been addressed. Indeed, numerous communities currently ban Huckleberry Finn as required reading in public schools owing to its offensive racial language and have quietly moved the title to voluntary reading lists.”

The reaction was fiercely divided. Many argued that readers cannot fully comprehend the evils of slavery if texts that realistically depict the era are bowdlerized. But Gribben maintained that it is preferable to salvage the text, which is central to the history of American literature, than to have it banned in various public schools.

After all, author Ernest Hemingway once famously said, “All modern American literature comes from one book by Mark Twain called ‘Huckleberry Finn.’ American writing comes from that. There was nothing before. There has been nothing as good since.”

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is this high school? if so, no way.

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...but there are so much racial slurs in there ...


Instead of questioning the school's tactics she should consider participating in her child's class.

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My mom wouldn't let me watch The Jeffersons and protested CBS for Sherman Hemsleys liberal use of honky so I get where this mom is coming from.

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What gets banned next if they ban those books? All songs, movies, and comedians that frequently use the N-word? This woman's son is biracial and there's no telling what he might stumble across at any point in his life.

I hope he doesn't see Django Unchained before all the copies have been locked away!


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Are the book banners some of us grew up being against any different than today's PC warriors? Tipper Gore meet the future.

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If you have to think about it, you shouldn't ever try to think again ... you weaken the nation each time you do.

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This is the most lopsided CFMB poll I've seen so far. Nice job, fellas.

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Why is it not OK to teach that America was racist? That's American history. You gonna teach them that everything was great? That's not right.

In the future, parents aren't gonna want teachers to tell their students that Trump was president.


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Lemont High School is also removing offensive books...

An Illinois school district is pulling one book from the shelves and reconsidering the use of all other titles taught in classrooms after a principal raised concerns about sexually explicit content.

Eric Michaelsen, the principal of Lemont High School, notified parents last month by email that “The God of Small Things,” by Arundhati Roy, had been removed from the reading list of the Academic English II class, reported the Cook County Chronicle.

“(The book) contains subject matter in some sections that is not appropriate for our students,” Michaelsen wrote in the Nov. 2 email. “The questionable passages were not assigned for students to read. The books have been collected and will not be used again.”

The email raised parent concerns that other books taught in the classroom might contain objectionable material.
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“I think it was a big, huge wake-up call for parents who are questioning the school’s activities and looking at their actions and not trusting them,” said Laura Reigle, the mother of a junior.

She dismissed the 1997 book by Roy as “smut” and “porn,” and she wrote a blog post questioning Lemont’s use of 13 other titles — including “The Lovely Bones,” by Alice Sebold, “A Separate Peace,” by John Knowles, and “I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings,” by Maya Angelou.

“Everyone should be questioning when high schools across the country will be having ‘Fifty Shades of Gray’ being read by minors,” Reigle wrote. “After all, look at how the material being bought and handed out by the schools, keeps escalating to containing more and more on sex, murder, suicide and homoeroticism.”

Parents and other community members discussed possible changes to the reading curriculum at a Nov. 21 school board meeting, where many agreed Angelou’s 1969 autobiography should be removed from classrooms.
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“I’ve read some excerpts of (the book) that include an 8-year-old getting raped — it’s very explicit,” said parent Mary Kay Fessler. “The sexual content is too much for their young minds to process. As an adult, yes, we can process that, but as a 14-, 15-,16year-old, I don’t think they have the neurological (power) to process that.”

Resident Rick Ligthart read from a prepared statement the changes he wanted in the school district’s policy.

“Regardless of the books, I’m recommending to the board that no literature whatsoever be inclusive of literal metaphorical, figurative or allegorical words for male or female genitals,” said Ligthart, who described himself as a former tenured high school teacher. “English classes should not be involved in sexuality in literature for our kids. It shouldn’t be in any books — no books.”

“We can’t have 18-year-olds reading about masturbation or sexual issues, regardless of the literature,” he added. “I don’t care if it’s from Dickens or who else.”

School officials said “The God of Small Things” was added to the curriculum without school board approval, as district policy requires, and Reigle said she wanted more transparency in the selection process.

The district responded to the error, and the resulting outcry, by reviewing all materials used in English classes — regardless of how long they’ve been taught.

School officials will allow parents to opt out their children from reading the Angelou novel, but both Fessler and Reigle complained that would embarrass those students.

“If I don’t agree with the book’s content, my kid would then be ostracized and read different material somewhere else,” Fessler said. “I don’t think that’s fair to the child.”

James LaRue, of the American Library Association’s Office for Intellectual Freedom, said he was concerned that parents had trivialized Angelou’s work by branding it pornography, and he said children on the cusp of adulthood could gain much from reading such complex literary works.

“I’m the father of two grown children,” LaRue said. “We say, ‘I don’t want them to know about this evil. But literature is a good way to get ready for the world.’”

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I used to want to be a Lit teacher but reading things like this makes me glad I didn't pursue it.

I think it should be up to the teachers to choose the books and should have free choice on what to assign. Classic novels are not revered as they were decades ago. We do not value literature as a medium anymore. It's considered boring and outdated. Personally I would be the guy assigning graphic novels and recent best sellers and getting my ass kicked out of the school system.


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Holy shit these fucking people.

Laura Reigle should worry about where her next lay is coming from.

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I used to want to be a Lit teacher but reading things like this makes me glad I didn't pursue it.

I think it should be up to the teachers to choose the books and should have free choice on what to assign. Classic novels are not revered as they were decades ago. We do not value literature as a medium anymore. It's considered boring and outdated. Personally I would be the guy assigning graphic novels and recent best sellers and getting my ass kicked out of the school system.


"I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings" was read by our 8th graders at one of my former schools.

"Go ask Alice" is a book I once had to cover with a home bound kid who was a Senior. That book was interesting and surely would be on the list over at Lemont.

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“We can’t have 18-year-olds reading about masturbation or sexual issues, regardless of the literature,” he added. “I don’t care if it’s from Dickens or who else.”

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Kids should only be allowed to read math and science books anyway.

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“We can’t have 18-year-olds reading about masturbation or sexual issues, regardless of the literature,” he added. “I don’t care if it’s from Dickens or who else.”

lol they said Dickens.

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That motherfucker Shakespeare uses the word "polock" in Hamlet.

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