FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You're either purposely misunderstanding or trying to paint me as a bigot and I don't appreciate either one. I've never said every Muslim is a terrorist or that every Muslim is a criminal or anything even close to that. But every Muslim does share a particular set of beliefs and ideologies. And there is no majority Muslim country where I believe you would be comfortable living.
Do you think David Duke's beliefs are incompatible with Western values? I don't know if he's committed any crimes or terrorist acts. It's his beliefs that are incompatible with our values. That's enough that you would never defend him. It's enough for me too.
Neither of those is true.
Your argument style on this topic makes it to where you can't be persuaded by facts, as you just dismiss them. You say Islamic belief is incompatible with living in the West. I point out the tens of millions who have already integrated just fine, and you counter with saying those aren't real Muslims.
As for your last paragraph, I'm not sure about that either. There is a very large contingent of the United States who believes almost exactly what David Duke does. It's tough to make the argument that his beliefs are incompatible with Western values when we just elected a President who largely ran on those same beliefs.
So are we going to say that over half the country is incompatible with Western values? We have all current Muslims and all racists already(despite Elmhurst Steve and veganfan doing just fine, presumably). That's gotta come close to half. I'm sure we can add more groups too.
I'm not misunderstanding you and I'm not calling you a bigot. I'm simply saying that you are wrong here, and I've shown why.
Muslims in the U.S. are a very small fraction of the population. They don't have the power in numbers to make any real demands on American society.
Religion by its very nature is supremacist. Especially a religion that hasn't had hundreds of years of secularism and enlightenment to polish down its rough edges. And Islam makes claims that no other religion makes, A) that it is the final Word of God, and B) that there is an imperative to conquer the earth in its name. It's a political ideology as much as it is a religion. It isn't designed to be a live and let live ideology. I couldn't give a shit if a guy prays five times a day and eats halal. To tell you the truth, I don't give a shit if he thinks gays should be thrown off buildings and women are second class people. But when enough of his fellow believers begin acting on those things, I see it as a problem.
If you look at the polling numbers on subjects like apostasy, homosexuality, the role of women, etc. it becomes clear that vast numbers of Muslims have views that we would consider incompatible with our society.
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