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Did you or will you vote today?
Poll ended at Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:35 am
Yes - I voted / will vote for the candidate I like 71%  71%  [ 24 ]
Yes - I voted / will vote for the other party just to screw with them 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
No - I didn't know it was today, but now that I know I will vote. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No - I never vote in the primary elections 12%  12%  [ 4 ]
What's it to you??? 12%  12%  [ 4 ]
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Does anyone have any philosphies on voting when you have no idea about any of the candidates?


Have you learned nothing the last 5 months? Change is the most important thing. I think that means vote out all incumbents.


The only one that will work for for sure is George Walter Bush.


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The only one that will work for for sure is George Walter Bush.


Who is that?

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The only one that will work for for sure is George Walter Bush.


Who is that?


See "Borat". :lol:


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I think that means vote out all incumbents.

I did that in '04. :lol:

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Damn right I'm voting. There's a property tax referendum on this ballot.


Is that one of those referendums where the choices are:

1) yes - to increase taxes with your permission
2) no - to increase taxes without your permission

Basically, yeah, that's pretty much it. If they don't get their referendum, they just raise my assessment value.


The referendum should have been marked with the CSFMB approved cicle jerk emoticon :safe:


Was that CSFMB CJ emoticon voted upon and duly approved? :wink:

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How many people were on the ballet you never heard of?


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How many people were on the ballet you never heard of?


Most of them.
The only one I would have known is that Baryshnikov fella.

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How many people were on the ballet you never heard of?

You mean in the ballet? And which one? I suspect most of us here haven't heard of most ballets.

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Men and tights and politicians aren't they all the same?

Not really... BALLOT.


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Here's what really sucks. I read that as ballot without a doubt.
Witness for the defense... dismissed. :oops: :lol:

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Why was John Edwards and other democrats still on the ballot?


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Why was John Edwards and other democrats still on the ballot?


I'm guessing it's cause they print the ballots and distribute them in advance, and count on the voters to know if their candidate dropped out.

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Probably. But I'll bet that Edwards will still get 1% of the vote by stupid people who don't know he's out. Maybe more.

We live in a day of technology. Edwards and others have been out for weeks. Couldn't they have had new ballots printed last week and distributed by Super Tuesday?

Is it really that tough? Hell, millions of newspapers are printed and distributed daily in this country.


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I look for the polish canidate. If he's not there I vote against jews, women and blacks. :lol:


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I'm guessing it's cause they print the ballots and distribute them in advance, and count on the voters to know if their candidate dropped out.


Rob...
c'mon.
seriously.

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Probably. But I'll bet that Edwards will still get 1% of the vote by stupid people who don't know he's out. Maybe more.

We live in a day of technology. Edwards and others have been out for weeks. Couldn't they have had new ballots printed last week and distributed by Super Tuesday?

Is it really that tough? Hell, millions of newspapers are printed and distributed daily in this country.


Why do you assume that votes for Edwards are the product of the "uninformed"? Couldn't it be that a vote for Edwards is an informed rejection of both Obama and Clinton, and the "audacious" deference to power that their candidacies collectively embody? Couldn't a vote for Edwards function as a message to the Democratic party that it needs to re-engage with its base instead of waging war on it? Couldn't a vote for Edwards be an informed embrace of the economic populism his campaign articulated?

I voted for Kucinich, by the way.

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You're right Midget. I guess a vote for Edwards could be a protest vote. It's better than not voting at all I suppose.

Don't underestimate the stupid and uninformed. Some of the Edwards votes are by people who think he's still in the race.


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I voted for Kucinich, by the way.

Awesome.

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You're right Midget. I guess a vote for Edwards could be a protest vote. It's better than not voting at all I suppose.

Don't underestimate the stupid and uninformed. Some of the Edwards votes are by people who think he's still in the race.


I rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want and get it. I equate the latter option with a vote for Obama or Clinton. I do not want another four years of the "Washington Consensus".

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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Alot of that has to do with if you consider yourself an idealist or a realist. If you are a realist you do things based on material outcome and how practical the outcome is. An idealist would believe that this country was based on free election, and that we are free as people to vote for whoever we deem most fit, and voting for Kucinich would be more of representative of that freedom than voting for the status quo.

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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Why would I vote for something that I oppose?

I am opposed to both a Clinton and an Obama presidency, and see little, if any difference between the two in their mutual deference to the Washington Consensus.

I will NEVER vote for either of them in a primary or a general election.

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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Alot of that has to do with if you consider yourself an idealist or a realist. If you are a realist you do things based on material outcome and how practical the outcome is. An idealist would believe that this country was based on free election, and that we are free as people to vote for whoever we deem most fit, and voting for Kucinich would be more of representative of that freedom than voting for the status quo.


There is always a so called lesser of two evils. I would rather vote for someone I didn't like then essentially not vote and have someone I hate get elected. Voting for someone that has no chance is similar to the reason people give for not voting at all.


I agree with you, I too am a realist.

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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Alot of that has to do with if you consider yourself an idealist or a realist. If you are a realist you do things based on material outcome and how practical the outcome is. An idealist would believe that this country was based on free election, and that we are free as people to vote for whoever we deem most fit, and voting for Kucinich would be more of representative of that freedom than voting for the status quo.


There is always a so called lesser of two evils. I would rather vote for someone I didn't like then essentially not vote and have someone I hate get elected. Voting for someone that has no chance is similar to the reason people give for not voting at all.


Of course the old retort to this argument is that when you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil.

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You're right Midget. I guess a vote for Edwards could be a protest vote. It's better than not voting at all I suppose.



Very true. If one wishes to protest, nothing is accomplished by not voting.


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Why even vote if you are going to vote for a guy that doesn't have a chance to win or has dropped out of a race? Does anyone really give a shit about your protest or did you just waste your time? Does it make you feel better that you voted for your guy/girl even though you really didn’t contribute to the outcome? Isn’t that essentially voting present or the same as not voting? I've never understood the logic behind that but would love to try to understand it.


Alot of that has to do with if you consider yourself an idealist or a realist. If you are a realist you do things based on material outcome and how practical the outcome is. An idealist would believe that this country was based on free election, and that we are free as people to vote for whoever we deem most fit, and voting for Kucinich would be more of representative of that freedom than voting for the status quo.


There is always a so called lesser of two evils. I would rather vote for someone I didn't like then essentially not vote and have someone I hate get elected. Voting for someone that has no chance is similar to the reason people give for not voting at all.


I agree with you, I too am a realist.


To me this argument is persuasive only to people who are politically detached or cynical. I spend a fair amount of time and energy working to change the current political order, and thus would never vote for something or someone that stands in direct opposition to the change that I want to see enacted.

If one is convinced that he or she cannot change the world around him, however, I can see the appeal of the "lesser of two evils" argument.

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Do you vote in the other elections? If so I'm sure there are people on the ballot that you don't know anything about or that you know very little about.


Actually, that's not true. I did a lot of research before voting.

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A vote for Edwards is a vote against America.


Agreed.


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I enjoy not casting a vote for offices in which a person is unopposed, especially in my particular ward. The election judges love to treat it as if the ballot should not be counted, but that is not true. In reality, a good analyzer of an election with these circumstances can see that there is real discontent when there are valid ballots with no vote cast.


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