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 Post subject: Re: 670 the Score
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:22 pm 
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Let's not forget that Kenny has won a WS. Hahn hasn't done ANYTHING besides have excuse after excuse made for him.


Who is forgetting that?


It seems like MANY are putting their faith in Hahn to do something he hasn't shown he has the ability to. I trust Kenny more than Hahn. Similar to the Bulls with GarPax. I trust Paxson more because he produced when he was in the GM role.




I don't wanna get off topic. But WTF did Pax produce,


Yes, Kenny won the 05 WS because of a crazy trade to shed payroll(Lee), and road the coattail in 06. Then, after 06 Kenny went full retard.


KW deserves a majority of the praise for 2005 (outside of the players, of course). He redesigned that entire team and acquired incredible starting pitching and bullpen depth. You minimize the work he did that year.

I love KW approach to attacking each season. I don't like the choices he has made to do undertake the attack. It wasn't a matter of not spending money. His acquisitions have been expensive and worse than bad.

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KW has the worst luck in finding a left handed power bat I can remember post 2005.

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I trust Kenny more than Hahn. .


That's insane.


That's the problem a lot of Sox fans have. Every move they believe is good they claim Hahn is responsible BUT every time something bad happens they claim it's because Kenny is running everything.


KW has made it clear on several occasions in the press the amount of trust the organization places on Hahn. When he tells us that he is making the decisions, I tend to believe him.

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 Post subject: Re: 670 the Score
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The problem with blindly supporting A Plan is that in copying the Cubs, there is no recognition that the Cubs got incredibly lucky with throw in players who became cornerstone pieces of the championship. So A Plan boils down to trade Sale and pray for luck as opposed to keeping Sale and relying on your player development...I just upset myself with that sentence.

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The problem with blindly supporting A Plan is that in copying the Cubs, there is no recognition that the Cubs got incredibly lucky with throw in players who became cornerstone pieces of the championship. So A Plan boils down to trade Sale and pray for luck as opposed to keeping Sale and relying on your player development...I just upset myself with that sentence.


To their credit and unlike Bernsie, Goff and Larry acknowledged luck in the Cub plan today.

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I'm sure they can deal Jennings for a future Cy Young winner. No problem.

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good dolphin wrote:
The problem with blindly supporting A Plan is that in copying the Cubs, there is no recognition that the Cubs got incredibly lucky with throw in players who became cornerstone pieces of the championship. So A Plan boils down to trade Sale and pray for luck as opposed to keeping Sale and relying on your player development...I just upset myself with that sentence.


Cubs turned relative turds into gold by trading for players with upside. Those players realizing that upside can be credited however you want. If the guys the Cubs trade people like Feldman for never turn into Cy Young winners, its not really a surprise because Feldman wasn't that great to begin with.

The Sox need to turn gold into more gold. It has nothing to do with luck. It has everything to do with doing competent evaluations of players you are trading for. If the guys the Sox traded Sale for never pan out, that isn't luck. It's bad judgement. It would be different with a shiny turd like Frazier. But blowing a trade of Sale, Quintana, Eaton, and, to a lesser extent, Abreu is just a failure of Hahn and Kenny to evaluate players.


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 Post subject: Re: 670 the Score
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The problem with blindly supporting A Plan is that in copying the Cubs, there is no recognition that the Cubs got incredibly lucky with throw in players who became cornerstone pieces of the championship. So A Plan boils down to trade Sale and pray for luck as opposed to keeping Sale and relying on your player development...I just upset myself with that sentence.


Cubs turned relative turds into gold by trading for players with upside. Those players realizing that upside can be credited however you want. If the guys the Cubs trade people like Feldman for never turn into Cy Young winners, its not really a surprise because Feldman wasn't that great to begin with.

The Sox need to turn gold into more gold. It has nothing to do with luck. It has everything to do with doing competent evaluations of players you are trading for. If the guys the Sox traded Sale for never pan out, that isn't luck. It's bad judgement. It would be different with a shiny turd like Frazier. But blowing a trade of Sale, Quintana, Eaton, and, to a lesser extent, Abreu is just a failure of Hahn and Kenny to evaluate players.


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 Post subject: Re: 670 the Score
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good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
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I trust Kenny more than Hahn. .


That's insane.


That's the problem a lot of Sox fans have. Every move they believe is good they claim Hahn is responsible BUT every time something bad happens they claim it's because Kenny is running everything.


KW has made it clear on several occasions in the press the amount of trust the organization places on Hahn. When he tells us that he is making the decisions, I tend to believe him.

He's just shifting the blame.

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