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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:32 pm 
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To my knowledge, there is no worse airline than Spirit.

It is the worst. Every surface is coated in advertising, too. Senor Airlines.

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The reason for economy plus was it was another source of income. How did they achieve it on a fixed length aircraft? They squeezed the other economy passengers. That's on top of the fact that they had begun jamming more rows onto planes many years prior. It's one thing to cut some amenities. I don't care that they don't serve food or charge for drinks,...etc. However, increasingly making the experience more miserable for 1/2 your paying customers doesn't seem like a good business plan.
Economy plus came well after they started making the seats the minimum required. The discount airlines were the only ones who were profitable doing it with the smallest seats possible. The bigger airlines followed suit and now they are making big money with a compartmentalized approach. It really does make sense. There is a market between first class and coach.

The low cost sites that let you find the lowest fare possible turned most airline customers into ones that will make a choice based on price and price alone(and number of stops but that is a different discussion).

It was really a race to the bottom created by consumers. Even now, consumers complain about the comfort of the seats but on every flight I'm on the slightly more expensive seats aren't filled up until the rest of the plane is pretty much sold out. I've gotten emails the day before asking if I want to upgrade to economy plus on the few flights I haven't taken it.

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Personally, I am loving the tiered system of travel that is developing.

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Let me explain that further. I took my first plane flight in 2003. The seats were not great but I don't remember them being virtually impossible to sit in. I'm 6'5 so a cramped seat is rough both for me and the guy in front of me who has to feel the knees. As I continued to fly, the seats got more and more cramped. This is because airline consumers mostly shop this way "Where do I want to go? Ok, what is the cheapest fare?". They had no care whatsoever about being treated like cargo. So, the airlines started to cater to them. Legroom disappeared. Bag fees went way up. The free food and snack options got progressively worse. This was very bad for me because I could barely fit and was uncomfortable. I certainly wasn't going to fly 1st class just so I wasn't miserable.

All of a sudden, economy comfort showed up which let me get away from those people who want to trade $29 for 4 hours of misery. Sometimes, I even got better snacks and free drinks and free entertainment. This gave me even more options without me being hurt because of how people still wanted the cheapest fare even as the costs were way down from the 80s and 90s.

To use pittmike's flawed analogy, it let me get away from the Wal-Mart shoppers of the sky. This was great for me as it gave me more choice. I could still choose to be miserable but I don't have to any more.

The reason for economy plus was it was another source of income. How did they achieve it on a fixed length aircraft? They squeezed the other economy passengers. That's on top of the fact that they had begun jamming more rows onto planes many years prior. It's one thing to cut some amenities. I don't care that they don't serve food or charge for drinks,...etc. However, increasingly making the experience more miserable for 1/2 your paying customers doesn't seem like a good business plan.



They're discriminating against larger/taller passengers...forcing them to upgrade to better seating for any sort of comfort.

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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Is there a worse airline than Spirit? I flew into Philly with the girlfriend on a trip with those assholes. I was scared if the Oxygen masks deployed I would have to insert 1$ to get it running and 1$ every minute after.

You're more likely to have an important piece of the plane fail on Allegient than Spirit. But if you surivive in tact, you'll have a worse experience on Spirit than Allegient.

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i don't care b/c we get free checked bags on United anyway and often upgrade to economy plus or first class.

just get one of these...

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I just applied and got approved for an American Airlines Mastercard...got approved instantly for a card with a $4k limit! All thanks to this thread. Thanks thread! I'm buying...in 7-10 days, if the card actually shows up.


I have an american one too and I like it. In addition to free checked bag it also gets you group 1 boarding. But it should also be pointed out that it is free the first year then it costs $95 per year so you have to determine if it is worth it. Also the free bag is just for domestic flights. You still pay to check the bag on international flights.

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GoldenJet wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
doug - evergreen park wrote:
i don't care b/c we get free checked bags on United anyway and often upgrade to economy plus or first class.

just get one of these...

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This.


I just applied and got approved for an American Airlines Mastercard...got approved instantly for a card with a $4k limit! All thanks to this thread. Thanks thread! I'm buying...in 7-10 days, if the card actually shows up.


I have an american one too and I like it. In addition to free checked bag it also gets you group 1 boarding. But it should also be pointed out that it is free the first year then it costs $95 per year so you have to determine if it is worth it. Also the free bag is just for domestic flights. You still pay to check the bag on international flights.
actually the 1st bag is free on international flights except the Caribbean and Mexico.

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