I agree. The issue is with the defensive component of WAR. For example, Jason Heyward had one of the worst seasons you will ever see from a corner outfielder who actually keeps his job for an entire season, yet dWAR causes him to have 1.5 WAR. Ridiculous. I don't doubt that one day in the future we will be listening to The Jason Bernstein Show and Li'l Jason will tell us how Kevin Kiermaier is in fact better than some Hall of Famer.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Didn't they do some especially shameful shit to Francona? Don't remember.

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I haven't read all your posts on this, FF. Just catching up and saw that last one


You're right to call put JORR and gd


gd is a lawyer though. Gotta expect it from him.

youre overestimating how soon these guys will be up. I doubt half of them are on the opening day roster in 2018. Make no mistake, the Sox absolutely threw away next year and 2018 in the past 24 hours.

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Big Haul for Eaton, Nat's overpaid but Eaton is making chump change for a few years..if they'd sign Fowler he'd cost 16ish million per year and probably a 5 year deal.

Now they gotta move Abreu and Quintana.

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The best three pieces the Sox have acquired so far all have major league experience. To think they wont open 2018 with the big league club is basically assuming all 3 are going to get seriously injured. Dunning is pretty much ready to go, also.

Sox did very nicely in the Easton deal. Nice job Rick Hahn. Kenny will take credit somehow. Lots of kids to watch develop now. All the best to them.

Ya they blamed their September collapse when Lester and Lackey were choking down beer and fried chicken on him. They leaked he was undergoing a divorce and insinuated he had a painkiller addiction.

You seem to be coming unhinged over this.

First, the Cubs are not the Sox. The Cubs are a KING KONG "Heritage" "National" franchise beloved by millions across the world and holders of multiple attendance titles. Cub fans never cease to point that out when they are belittling the White Sox, but somehow it is forgotten when it's convenient to suggest that the Sox should act the same way the Cubs do. They simply don't have the wherewithal to do that. It was unconscionable for the Cub to roll back their payroll the way they did and a slap in the face to the fans. The Sox aren't doing that. The most economically sound thing they could have done if they were protecting the bottom line was to hold onto Sale and Eaton who had ridiculously team friendly contracts.

Second, I don't believe the Sox are in some five year tank plan. If somehow they are in contention in July I don't think they are going to "flip" Miguel Gonzalez for prospects because 2017 is a designated "tank year". The situations matter. Keep that in mind when the Sox have Moncada in the minors and Don Tiny tries to draw a parallel to holding Bryant down for the extra year's control. Moncada is not a polished product. When the Cubs did it with Bryant, he would have been the best player on the big league team and they were surprisingly contending. I highly doubt the Sox will be contending next season, but I can assure you if the Sox somehow start out 10-1 and Moncada is in Charlotte with an OPS of 1.150 and Lawrie is batting .125, I will be screaming for Moncada to be brought up immediately and what happens in seven years be damned.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Wrong. He's wrong to call me out. I'm consistent as can be in my viewpoint. He is convinced that Kenny and Hahn are utter incompetents and that is making him angry. Something had to be done with this team. if anything, I'm most upset that they didn't do something like this in the winter of 2014-15. They got themselves in a spot where you had a weak free agent class and it would have been difficult to fill holes even if you wanted to take a serious crack at contending.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Are you trying to convince us... or yourself? Nothing wrong with either. It's part of the process.

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and who let them eat chicken and choke down beer?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

and who let them eat chicken and choke down beer?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I wasn't happy with the Sale trade. Not becuase I don't think Moncada and Kopech don't have potential, but because I don't think they got enough. The Eaton deal actually confirms that. They fleeced Washington in that deal. Everyone in baseball knows it. Why, as a Sox fan, would that make me sad?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Don't worry, Dusty will keep them all in line!

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Mike Rizzo got his ass raped. What was he thinking? If you need a CF that badly sign Fowler for chrissakes. Sox won this trade by a country mile.

Even Billy Beane thinks that was a horrible trade and he knows horrible trades.

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I don't know. You're probably right, but that's irrelevant tonight. Just duck and cover.

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First of all, Kenny and Hahn ARE incompetent. Proof is in the pudding.

Second, you're not being consistent at all. It took you less than two days to completely change your mind not only on trading Sale and Eaton, but tanking in general. And the hypotheticals you posited above are meaningless because we both know they aren't contending next year or the year after. And you're ok with that, which is fine. But now you can't go around talking about how teams owe it to the paying customer to field a competitive team.

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I guess Eaton did build a shrine to Drake LaRoche in the clubhouse...maybe he was a problem after all.

Are you speaking in tongues?

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You're ok with a little tanking in some situations though

I'm the most pro lawer guy on this board in reality

It actually pisses me off more.

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GO BEARS!!!

BadRogue, Coming to the defense of Lester who just led the Cubs to a World Series title

Whod have thunk it?

You must not be reading my posts. How many times must I say I don't like the Sale trade? And I've never had a problem philosophically with trading anyone. I think they could have made some moves and tried to contend. I even laid out what I thought was a reasonable plan that shouldn't have been beyond what a reasonable Sox budget should look like, but it made a lot of assumptions. The truth is this isn't the best free agent class to do that in. I wouldn't pay Dexter Fowler $75 million for five years. If you can't land him, where do you go then? I don't think Kenny and Hahn are utterly incompetent, but they certainly aren't Beane or Epstein. Epstein paid Lester when he had to, even though it was probably a year earlier than he would have liked. He was aware that he wasn't going to be there the next year.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

They should most definitely sign some veteran starters n hopes of a flip. What's the downside?

Upside is Jake Arrieta

The damning part was insinuating he was a drug addict

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Ok, I'll make this simple so we don't have to go back and forth with hypotheticals.

You've stated several times on here that teams owe it to the paying customer to attempt to a field a competitive team. Offseason is far from over, but do you think the Sox are attempting to field a competitive team next year?

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